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Scott, this your wife in the photo? Damn, you're a lucky man. I'd give a pot o' gold to find a woman who would go out there with me like that. http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10177/swamp_tip_toe.jpg

I made it to the short courses. Excellent, all of them. They get better each year. I sat there mesmerized while Mark Demitroff, University of Delaware Geography Professor explained the formation of spungs, cripples, and sand dunes in the pine barrens. He is so good I wanted to sit through it...

Owww-hooooo! Werewolves of Mays Landing!

Well, that changes things. I have no further comment then.

Not to lean one way or another on this topic, I note that there is no proof the video really exists or that it shows exactly the situation described. The guy reporting it has no credibility with me; just somebody posting something on the web. With stories, claims, pronouncements, and amateur...

Eee Gads. Look how vulnerable Hampton Furnace is to civilization on that map.

Jeff, I don't remember a canal per se on the left hand side. Then again you may have noticed something I did not. I saw a big canal, but I thought it only went 10 yards. Also, I don't remember a cranberry bog. It would be neat to map it out in more detail after another excursion.

Jeff, your theory sounds very interesting, and I'm sure at least part of it may be right. They say a picture is worth a thousand words. If you sketched it out and scanned it into a PDF or JPG file, I could see better what you are saying.

Oh, but Jeff my Pines Brother, I disagree. Look at the 1812 map again. That little symbol next to Bispham means mill. The writer of the map is not telling us its the name of the creek, he's saying there were 2 mills on Bisphams creek and both were named Bisphams...

Real good info, both of you guys. Scott, is that elevation delta from New Lisbon higher at Lower Mill? Jerseyman, your post reminded me we found two small ponds along the canal; the water would fill them up and then continue on. Perhaps if we poke around another smaller mill is around there...

Could you imagine the size of the snake that would dig that Chris? No way. The hole was big. I have seen fox on flat land, very often in fact. I walked upon one hole in Lakehurst in a field, and 15 feet from it out he popped out and ran off into the brush.

Absolutely.

How do you mean? Are you saying that we should feel good about ourselves, or feel a little privileged, because we are interested in and have a certain reverence for the past and what it took to build this country; more so than people who live for today, and care less about the past, much less...

Right, and that makes sense since we walked through the lake bottom. What does not make sense is; what about a lake above the causeway to feed the canal? We did not look at that, but it is shown on the map.

I did read that, but I thought it was Upper Mill when I read it. So, really, this thing was operating over 100 years? Seems unlikely, right? I do see Bisphams Mill on the older map, the 1812. You don't?

The Thomas Gordon map shows the mill on the far side of the Lake. We need to go back and chech that out more closely this Spring: http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=3788&fullsize=1

Jeff, this 1812 map shows Bisphams Mills on the creek in two locations: http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=250&pos=7 And I could be wrong, but I dont think so; this map shows the canal itself and the big lake...

No, sorry Chris. I stuck my stick all the way in and it was a large, deep hole. What are you thinking, coyote?

I was going to go if we had not changed the trip. It sounds like a real rip (current). Let us know when it comes around next year. PS: does your heart literally stop for a couple seconds? Mine would.

Here is a pan view of the big foundation. This thing really blows my mind. The walls are a foot thick in concrete for pete's sake. That huge section Jeff and Scott are standing on seems to have dropped from the sky. We can't figure out how it got there or what it was. It has rectangular holes...