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Jon, I'm sorry that poorly supervised young man ruined your new system, but that act has no bearing on this discussion.

I'm treating this as a suspect claim, and in any case I have doubts it was intense enough for those running the place to give up for that reason. If you have one of those who ran it come on and confirm it, then I'll believe it.

If they go for the free milk with an ATV, they should be fined.

Good point Tommy

Well, you would feel that way Jason, since you only want things to go your way. But all NJ citizens have a say in how things are run. There is plenty of state and county land to go towards parks. It went fairly well in Chatsworth - I didn't see anybody there like you depict in your post. In...

Maybe they were used during the Pandemic.

Towns are eager to put the giant warehouses up anywere in town to grab ratables. They shun ATV parks. I have to tell you, honestly, that when Ocean County picked up the thousands of acres in the Forked River Mountains, I stood up in a meeting and suggested they designate the land below off Lacey...

You might think that I don’t care about the ATV problem as long as I have access to the forest, but that’s not true. It is a huge problem that requires a new paradigm to control it. Yesterday I was scouting the woods north of Wells Mill Park on behalf of the Forked River Mountain Coalition in...

I agree with your assertion, but don't know why somebody felt it necessary to write that.

Well it ain't alright. Many of those roads they closed had no obvious damage to them. No reason to go crazy like they did. Seems like a revenge action to me, fostered by PPA and NJCF. That one volunteer at Whitesbog you spoke with must have carried a lot of weight with you.

Jon, you have gone over to the dark side, likely because you don't have the history of traveling the pines in your blood like most of us on this forum do. You gave in too easily, and I see you are set in your ways now. So be it. Nobody should be revealing sites of endangered plants. I'm...

Yes, and I know you have it then. By the way, because of the beaver destroyers, the trestle is under water.

No matter Jon, you simply can't punish the rest of us for what bad actors do. If a highway sees an increase in drunk drivers, should the authorities close the road? These roads have been our solace and recreation for many years, nothing excuses closing them. Fix the other problem; those that...

I gotta say, this spot on Deep Run is the Boss!

Where is this. Recently rebuilt, the beaver have had their way already.

I was in this area today. It made me sick seeing all these closed roads. They do it because they think the woods will be destroyed. Plastic signs barring access at all the orange symbols, and I left out several. Who the hell is going to drive a vehicle into Skit Branch, the Batsto, or Deep Run?

What I find puzzling is this little extra bit of a scar into the watershed proper. It's like crazy larry stole his dad's dozer and was playing around to see if he could connect the two together. Maybe if you go to the X, you'll see it half sunk in the swamp. I have a theory about the...

Oddly, I was not really challenging you per se, it's just that I could not see it either way; sort of a chicken or the egg thing. So I was hoping you had a good answer to settle my mind.

Gabe, I'm curious to know what you are basing your assertion on that the ditch was prior to the road.

Interesting. That's just west of Bamber. I have no idea.