A new stuck vehicle video
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they have been ticketing people for riding around in the woods without seat belts.Sounds like ball busting to me.
I don't have any problem with folks like these going out and driving around on legal roads with their Jeeps. Considering that these are the folks that get involved in the big cleanups every year, I feel that they probably do more to preserve the Pine Barrens than a lot of other so-called environmentalists. If they want to drive around on marked roads, more power to them.
While getting vastly irritated when I get almost stuck in a hole that was no problem the week before because some A hole decided to use it to play in even though it is in the middle of a well used road I have to admit that as far as I know that is not illegal,just inconsiderate as Ben stated.It would be nice to have the kind of money they must have in order to be able to afford to wilfully rip their vehicles up like that on purpose whilst I must baby my only source of transportation while in the woods.Off trail bajaing though is against regs because it destroys vegetation and animal life.Of course trucks would destroy more then quads and they more then cycles.It just appears there is not enough room in NJ to accomodate everyone and their respective joys and interests.We are loving the Barrens to death,some more quickly then others.
I personally haven't gotten busted yet and I never wear a belt in the woods,what if a snake crosses the road?I have to be able to get out of the vehicle fast enough to assist him don't I?What is the maximum speed someone is going to be doing down a sand road anyway?10mph 15?I have done 35 or 40 down Batsto Godfreys road when it is well graded but most roads that would be suicidal.Then once again I am still trying to figure out what right the state has to regulate my behavior if it affects me only.It is one thing if I don't have enough sense to strap my kids in (which apparently my parents didn't) but when it is my own ass on the line it is really none of the states business.I think it has been said before on here but I'll say it again.The state needs to expend more effort on enforcing laws that make sense like no yakking or texting on the phone while driving (even though most of us do it) and less on paying people to think up more stupid laws we don't need like needing a permit to build a shed in your own yard???Well I guess that is smart on the states part.More money for them.
I'm neither Law Enforcement or a Lawyer, but I image that it could be argued that this is willful destruction of public/state property which is against the law.
What ever happened to trail maintenance? My friends and I use to always carry a shovel and rake in our trucks when we were mountain biking every weekend to repair and do up-keep on the trails we were riding. Peoples attitudes change quickly when you grab them off their ride and strongly urge them to help maintain the trails they like to ride on. Insults helped motivate some riders. They respect what they are riding on afterwards. I wish the attitude of tread lightly would carry over to the group of offroaders who are ripping apart certain areas.
Turn it around. The state was negligent in letting a hole get that big and now is responsible for damages done to a vehicle trying to drive down a public throughway.
I knew I had it tucked away somewhere. There doesn't seem to be much activity though.
http://www.njtlc.org/
That has been at the heart of the issue as far back as I can recall; defining and identifying the 'public throughway's in Wharton and other state owned properties. It seems like such a simple thing to do.
http://www.njtlc.org/
That has been at the heart of the issue as far back as I can recall; defining and identifying the 'public throughway's in Wharton and other state owned properties. It seems like such a simple thing to do.
One place you could start would be the NJDOT road maps: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/map.shtm
These are what I used as a reference to county highway numbers for my nj 2012 map. It only shows a few of the major unpaved roads. Here's a section of Wharton, for example.
These are what I used as a reference to county highway numbers for my nj 2012 map. It only shows a few of the major unpaved roads. Here's a section of Wharton, for example.
Wow! That was awesome! The two opposite points of view of imkms and Ben. I have popped tires in potholes that should have been fixed by the state or county and never bothered to sue knowing it would cost more to do so then what I got in return and they would probably drag the case out till I was dead.I never thought of blaming the state for the condition of roads in Wharton.I wouldn't suggest it though.They would close them all down,cheaper and easier..
The question is who is purposely tearing the road up and who is just trying to navigate the road.You never know what your driving into till your in it unless you walk the hole first.You could always plead innocent of how bad the hole was and that you weren't Bajaing just trying to get to the other side,unless of course there is a party with monster trucks and winches.
Two sets of forest users rights clash with each others.When they tear up the roads it makes it harder for the rest of us to get around and even just getting around results in some damage unintentionally.No solid answers here yet but some real good discussion.
The question is who is purposely tearing the road up and who is just trying to navigate the road.You never know what your driving into till your in it unless you walk the hole first.You could always plead innocent of how bad the hole was and that you weren't Bajaing just trying to get to the other side,unless of course there is a party with monster trucks and winches.
Two sets of forest users rights clash with each others.When they tear up the roads it makes it harder for the rest of us to get around and even just getting around results in some damage unintentionally.No solid answers here yet but some real good discussion.
If we could ever decide what is use and what is abuse and then catch the abusers this would be a could idea.Make them hit the Barrens in lets say,July and do community service fixing the very roads they tore up.
Perhaps even winches should be made illegal to posses in the state forest.Many lazy folks would not like the idea of having to come along those big trucks out of a nasty hole.
Thinking about this, I remembered an old map of Belleplain State Forest that I picked up at the office there. Not sure if they still distribute this map, and I don't see it online. But it makes a clear distinction as to the intended use of the many trails in Belleplain. I also have old maps of Wharton, Lebanon, Bass River and others but I don't believe they specifically indicate which trails can be used by motorized vehicles.
Here's the legend from the old Belleplain map. You will find all these trails shown on my nj 2012 map, although I don't distinguish between motorized/hiking trails.
Here's the legend from the old Belleplain map. You will find all these trails shown on my nj 2012 map, although I don't distinguish between motorized/hiking trails.
To set the record straight, I only posted the link so everone could discuss it. I have no problems with them going through puddles in a road as long as they don't do it to tear it up and are trying to get down the road. We all have done that at one time or another I suspect. The question may be what were they doing?
In any event, there is much worse that could and does happen out there.
Guy
In any event, there is much worse that could and does happen out there.
Guy
Actually I don't think I have looked at that specific file before - thanks, will check it out. May be the raw data used in the other maps. But the maps I was talking about are just .pdf files that anyone can open. There's a separate map for each county at the link I posted above. For example, this is Burlington: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/gis/maps/burlington.pdf
I just saw the video and read the subsequent posts quickly. I would be more inclined to believe this is in the great swamp on an established road. However, I would have to revisit it to confirm. If this is the case I would have to agree that this is not illegal or even particularly damaging.
Your right about not damaging since it is an established road,just inconvenient and inconsiderate for those of us who don't have hip high tires and lift kits.