Since you all live out there, I don't fully understand this, so please forgive this dumb question. If the state owns lot A and B, couldn't they just put a new road in right next to his, like the red line below?
As you can see from the open space overlay which may not be 100% accurate and from my stone GPX file which is accurate the raod passes above the Paradise Lakes exception. The state needs to get a surveyor out there and then take the guy to court and tell him to get his crap off their road before they sue him to hell and back.Guy
I could have swore the road stayed outside of (to the north) of the state monuments.I am going to have to see if i can find my files but I thought the northern most road was entirely on state property?
As you can see from the open space overlay which may not be 100% accurate
I spoke to someone who has seen trees felled to block access from a road that comes over from Rockwood. I don't know what you would encounter coming from the east along West Mill itself.A question. Has anyone tried coming in from the other direction to see where or if He has gated the road from that way as well?
His property does not cross the road.
The State's online boundary mapping sources are just a collection of all municipal tax maps . Tax maps are an amalgam of plottings of deeds and surveys collected by the assessors and municipal surveyors and engineers over the years.
So the deed the owner has may show him as owner of the property and the state really has nothing tangible to show? I doubt this guy would build another gate for haha's; someone must have told him it would stand the test. This may go on for some time until some judge comes to a decision. Then the appeals begin.
Yes, you proved that, but that's not my point. It seems to me there is an impasse, and nobody (state or township) is doing the a deep dive to survey the property and bring that to the courts. And the public is not raising enough of a fuss to prompt them to do it.
Does anyone on this forum know something the rest of us don't? Is there something being worked behind the scenes?
I know it would not really happen (maybe), but if the state plowed a road beginning 1 foot north of his, and declared it open, I doubt if Miller would even challenge it. If he wanted to, he'd have to conduct a proper survey to prove it.
The FFS can create a road quickly. They've done it before, and this time they can justify it.
Done. Problem solved.
There is no need to plow a road when there is a perfectly, well maybe, good road there already that the state needs to get open. If you build a road around it he has won. I don't like people to win when they are holding that property hostage.
Guy or I can show Him where his corners are located.All He has to do is ask.I for one would do it for free just to have the opportunity to see him have to admit his ignorance and put an end to this charade.I can say with confidence that the owner does not know where his corners are located. I can also say with confidence that he is displaying all of his testicular fortitude based on the license agreement to control the road for which he paid Hammonton $5,000.00.
You are correct in saying that this will go on "for some time" .
Guy or I can show Him where his corners are located.All He has to do is ask.I for one would do it for free just to have the opportunity to see him have to admit his ignorance and put an end to this charade.
I have no stake in this but if shown the stones I'd say he'd then move them to his advantage. The State or the property owner is going to have to hire a survey team to prove once and for all the property lines. I've seen in one instance where "established" property lines were moved approximately 600' North and 300' West. In this instance I'm talking about Haines & Haines now PICC.