Somehow the software did not like your post and I had to approve it because it contained one or more keywords. Seems like a normal post to me.
DEP Announces Virtual Public Meeting to Launch Wharton State Forest Visitor and Vehicle Use Survey
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That reminds me, if anyone has info on this situation I encountered last night. Kettle Run Road runs from near Raymond Avenue North of Atco and runs NNW as a fine, paved road....but abruptly turns to dirt for about 1/3? mile before it joins Spring Ave (red section below). What is this, local resistance?
I'm sure it was the links in the post Guy. The Xenforo software is very suspicious of new users posting links and will throw them into the approval queue, I see it everyday at MacRumors. After you have been a member of the site a little longer and make some more posts, it will be fine. But sometimes it will also happen to long-time members who don't post very often.
All,
Open Trails NJ now has on their website their position on permits in Wharton. Considering that I am strongly opposed to permits, I feel that their position is along the same lines as mine. If you agree feel free to let anyone you can know about it.
They also are strong believers as I am that sensitive area's can be blocked off without impacting vehicle usage and road closures. This is another reason I am taking their position. I encourage everyone to click the link and tell us what you think.
You can also go to their Facebook page to view the same information if you so choose.
www.opentrailsnj.org
Open Trails NJ now has on their website their position on permits in Wharton. Considering that I am strongly opposed to permits, I feel that their position is along the same lines as mine. If you agree feel free to let anyone you can know about it.
They also are strong believers as I am that sensitive area's can be blocked off without impacting vehicle usage and road closures. This is another reason I am taking their position. I encourage everyone to click the link and tell us what you think.
You can also go to their Facebook page to view the same information if you so choose.
Open Trails NJ’s Positions on Access, Maps and Permits - Open Trails NJ
Open Trails NJ's purpose is to help solve the problems facing our forests while maintaining access for responsible recreation. It is for this reason that we are taking a keen interest in the upcoming DEP plans to engage the stakeholders of Wharton State Forest and potentially limit responsible...
Thanks for this. I joined up. I want to "Fix Our Parks" but I am not going to support the PPA and their permit scheme, and attempts to lock down the parks for use by their kayak and tour business. I wish I'd read more threads here before joining the PPA and sending them money.
The status of that bit of the road shows up in the Evesham Township road map as "Other", which suggests to me that it's not maintained by the township at all. I don't know if it was formally vacated by the township or if the abutting property owners just consented to maintain it (or not) by themselves.
What a coincidence that they are doing a clean up right before the stakeholder survey. Anyone like the snow in the picture so you can see the off road tracks? Why can they never just say vehicle traffic because that Pinelands adventure van leaves tracks too.
Anyway, not sure how much is going to be cleaned up in an hour or so since they have to take a head count and all. and then carpool in, wonder who will be providing transportation?
And god forbid if you show in a 4wd vehicle and leave it at the meeting spot, they may document for their benefit. (tinfoil hat removed
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Anyway, not sure how much is going to be cleaned up in an hour or so since they have to take a head count and all. and then carpool in, wonder who will be providing transportation?
And god forbid if you show in a 4wd vehicle and leave it at the meeting spot, they may document for their benefit. (tinfoil hat removed
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All,
Open Trails NJ now has on their website their position on permits in Wharton. Considering that I am strongly opposed to permits, I feel that their position is along the same lines as mine. If you agree feel free to let anyone you can know about it.
They also are strong believers as I am that sensitive area's can be blocked off without impacting vehicle usage and road closures. This is another reason I am taking their position. I encourage everyone to click the link and tell us what you think.
You can also go to their Facebook page to view the same information if you so choose.
Open Trails NJ’s Positions on Access, Maps and Permits - Open Trails NJ
Open Trails NJ's purpose is to help solve the problems facing our forests while maintaining access for responsible recreation. It is for this reason that we are taking a keen interest in the upcoming DEP plans to engage the stakeholders of Wharton State Forest and potentially limit responsible...
I like their position and support it, but am curious about two things:
1) Their forum posts are all 5 years and 6 months old and almost all in Polish. Was the site completely inactive since the last MAP proposal, and since it hasn't been updated, is there a place (i.e. Facebook) where activity is concentrated?
2) What is the makeup of the group in terms of participants? I personally believe (just an opinion) that the more varied the backgrounds of the people are, the more effective it's going to be. To be emphatic so this isn't misconstrued; what I mean is whether this group is made up of all people who participate in one individual type of recreation (hikers, jeepers, etc.) might not have as loud of a voice as they would if it were a mix of these, representing voices from many different outdoor endeavors. Just my $0.02.
Apologies for the above, had I bothered to read more of the home page, I would have seen this: "We are a group of honest citizens: hikers, hunters, enduro riders, geocachers, 4×4 enthusiests, kayakers, horseback riders, photographers and even environmentalists who want help solve the problems facing the forest while keeping it open for responsible recreation. We all view this as a long term endeavor. We have created this group for a common cause and that common cause will continue beyond the immediate obstacles in front of us."
Guess that answers my question, and definitely strengthens the group.
Guess that answers my question, and definitely strengthens the group.
There just isn't any such thing as "The 1997 Topo", we have covered this many times. Each quadrangle has its own unique history of revisions. Evidently, this is the version that the Pinelands Commission has been using, as discussed elsewhere around here. As you will see, there are a variety of dates for each quad.
https://www.nj.gov/pinelands/home/meetings/documents/Wharton State Forest general boundary 1997 USGS topoquads11x17.pdf
More discussion in this thread, although note that the map on my site has been discontinued and replaced with the new, larger USGS Legacy Topo. The resolution and quality this new map are much higher than the ArcGIS version of the USGS topo on NJPB Maps.
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Open Trails NJ. 7,849 likes · 29 talking about this · 1 was here. Our mission is to solve the issues facing our forests, while maintaining access for responsible recreation.
www.facebook.com
We set up that way back when, but it never took off and then a bunch a spammers got a hold of it.
I just pulled it off our main menu because it is not really value added and is a distraction. Frankly, a lot of the "forum" related traffic on OTNJ occurs right here. There are quite people who are involved in OTNJ that are regular posters here. I see it was just posted, but our FB page is probably the most active outward presence, but i can tell you that we have continued to meet several times a year, continuously for the entire 7 years since this whole thing started in 2015. Counter to an infamous OPRA'd quote by a PPA staffer, we did not just forget and go away
Agreed. And if there is a better, suscinct, way to articulate this, we'd be happy to adopt it. I think, the technically correct descritption at the time would be that: "we support the newest USGS topo quadrangle that is closest to, but not newer than 1997 when the USGS changed their approach to mapping." That doesn't quite roll off the tongue so it just kind of became known as "the 1997 topo".
I haven't looked into the USGS Legacy Topo, but maybe that is the best reference at this point? I'm open to suggestions...
I signed up for the 9am cleanup. They can copy down my vanity plate if they want. I had signed up for a cleanup with Fix Our Parks, but I am not going to give them my labor. I did a cleanup with a Subaru group a few weeks ago in Turkey Swamp. But we're the bad guys.
Not sure if someone already posted this here since I have not yet read all the posts. Ed, save this link.
FWIW, these are the versions of each NJ quad that I used on my 24k legacy topo.
Code:
NJ Adelphia 1957
NJ Allentown 1957
NJ Alloway 1955
NJ Asbury Park 1995
NJ Asbury Park OE E 2019
NJ Atlantic City 1994
NJ Atsion 1997
NJ Avalon 1994
NJ Barnegat Light 1989
NJ Beach Haven 1951
NJ Belvidere 1997
NJ Ben Davis Point 1993
NJ Bernardsville 1954
NJ Beverly 1995
NJ Blairstown 1954
NJ Bloomsbury 1955
NJ Boonton 1995
NJ Bound Brook 1955
NJ Branchville 1995
NJ Bridgeport 1995
NJ Bridgeton 1953
NJ Brigantine Inlet 1994
NJ Brookville 1957
NJ Browns Mills 1997
NJ Buena 1953
NJ Caldwell 1995
NJ Califon 1954
NJ Camden 1995
NJ Canton 1993
NJ Cape May 1995
NJ Cassville 1957
NJ Cedarville 1956
NJ Chatham 1995
NJ Chatsworth 1995
NJ Chester 1954
NJ Clementon 1967
NJ Columbus 1957
NJ Culvers Gap 1954
NJ Dividing Creek 1956
NJ Dorothy 1994
NJ Dover 1997
NJ Egg Harbor City 1956
NJ Elizabeth 1995
NJ Elmer 1953
NJ Farmingdale 1989
NJ Five Points 1994
NJ Flatbrookville 1997
NJ Flemington 1954
NJ Forked River 1989
NJ Fortescue 1956
NJ Franklin 1954
NJ Freehold 1953
NJ Frenchtown 1997
NJ Gladstone 1995
NJ Green Bank 1997
NJ Hackensack 1997
NJ Hackettstown 1953
NJ Hamburg 1954
NJ Hammonton 1966
NJ Heislerville 1957
NJ High Bridge 1954
NJ Hightstown 1995
NJ Hopewell 1954
NJ Indian Mills 1995
NJ Jamesburg 1953
NJ Jenkins 1997
NJ Jersey City 1967
NJ Keswick Grove 1957
NJ Keyport 1995
NJ Lakehurst 1957
NJ Lakewood 1995
NJ Lambertville 1995
NJ Long Beach NE 1951
NJ Long Branch East 1954
NJ Long Branch West 1954
NJ Marlboro 1995
NJ Marmora 1994
NJ Mays Landing 1989
NJ Medford Lakes 1967
NJ Mendham 1954
NJ Millville 1997
NJ Monmouth Junction 1954
NJ Moorestown 1995
NJ Morristown 1954
NJ Mount Holly 1967
NJ New Brunswick 1995
NJ New Egypt 1957
NJ New Gretna 1951
NJ Newfield 1953
NJ Newfoundland 1997
NJ Newton East 1954
NJ Newton West 1994
NJ Newtonville 1953
NJ Ocean City 1994
NJ Oceanville 1995
NJ Orange 1995
NJ Oswego Lake 1997
NJ Park Ridge 1995
NJ Paterson 1995
NJ Pemberton 1957
NJ Pennington 1995
NJ Penns Grove 1995
NJ Perth Amboy 1995
NJ Pitman East 1966
NJ Pitman West 1967
NJ Pittstown 1955
NJ Plainfield 1995
NJ Pleasantville 1994
NJ Point Pleasant 1995
NJ Pompton Plains 1995
NJ Port Elizabeth 1994
NJ Port Norris 1956
NJ Princeton 1995
NJ Ramsey 1995
NJ Raritan 1955
NJ Rio Grande 1994
NJ Rocky Hill 1995
NJ Roosevelt 1957
NJ Roselle 1995
NJ Runnemede 1995
NJ Salem 1995
NJ Sandy Hook East 1998
NJ Sandy Hook West 1998
NJ Sea Isle City 1952
NJ Sea Isle City OE E 2019
NJ Seaside Park 1989
NJ Shiloh 1949
NJ Ship Bottom 1952
NJ South Amboy 1995
NJ Stanhope 1995
NJ Stockton 1954
NJ Stone Harbor 1955
NJ Toms River 1995
NJ Tranquility 1954
NJ Trenton East 1995
NJ Trenton West 1995
NJ Tuckahoe 1994
NJ Tuckerton 1995
NJ Wanaque 1995
NJ Washington 1954
NJ Wawayanda 1994
NJ Weehawken 1995
NJ West Creek 1951
NJ Whiting 1957
NJ Wildwood 1955
NJ Williamstown 1966
NJ Woodbine 1958
NJ Woodbury 1995
NJ Woodmansie 1995
NJ Woodstown 1967
That stretch actually used to go all the way to Hopewell. When the Sanctuary was built and Spring Road was paved. The portion from Spring to Hopewell was blocked and a Sample home built there. Around the same time the road actually ran across the farms property and was moved when they put up a new fence. I think it would have been totally abandoned if it wasn’t for the house that’s on it.