Emhriams Bridge

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I acquired a map this week that shows that the original name of the bridge that is currently the Plastic Bridge was Emhriams Bridge. The map actually spells the word "Bridge" as "Briage". The map is from about 1935.

Anyone see that on any other map? I have looked over a few old maps I have of that area and it was not listed by that name.

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bobpbx

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I have a more recent map distributed this year. On that map the bridge is entitled..."Polystyrene carbonate plastisol bridge number 001."

Has a nice ring to it right? I am holding my breath for when they make the covered bridge walkway at Bamber Lake out of plastic.
 

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BobM said:
I have a more recent map distributed this year. On that map the bridge is entitled..."Polystyrene carbonate plastisol bridge number 001."

Has a nice ring to it right? I am holding my breath for when they make the covered bridge walkway at Bamber Lake out of plastic.

May not have the ambiance, but it sure will last forever
 

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LARGO said:
May not have the ambiance, but it sure will last forever

I'm not sure of that Largo. We have a plastic picnic table at work. The sun has absolutely destroyed it. It looks like it has leprosy. I'll take cedar any day.
 

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BobM said:
I'm not sure of that Largo. We have a plastic picnic table at work. The sun has absolutely destroyed it. It looks like it has leprosy. I'll take cedar any day.

I'll agree... Cedar is my favorite although I prefer it upright, awsome trees, timeless. Back to topic.

Is the Ephriams refence on any old deeds or surveys in the area ??
Either first or last name.

There is an Ephraims Island in Cape May County ( lower twp. )
And Ephraims Mount,crossroads of Gloucester, Now Mt. Ephraim.
Given the stretch & lines that Gloucester is derived from it is interesting.
Hey, Erica Mullica made it to what is Gloucester county.Harrison twp.
As far as the spelling ( The IA vs. AI ) That's not uncommon.
( Look at briage )
Things,places , and towns being named for people, anything is possible wouldn't you say ??
Oh, and there is a Goshen in Cape May county ( Middle twp )
Feel free to let me know if you don't see possibilities here.
Just interesting stuff.
 

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Here is the map. It is not your normal map and is broken up to show specific things.

There is a little bonus in the map, so if you are adventurous and good at exploring, you might find something :)

Guy

Emhriams.jpg
 
LARGO said:
I'll agree... Cedar is my favorite although I prefer it upright, awsome trees, timeless. Back to topic.

Is the Ephriams refence on any old deeds or surveys in the area ??
Either first or last name.

There is an Ephraims Island in Cape May County ( lower twp. )
And Ephraims Mount,crossroads of Gloucester, Now Mt. Ephraim.
Given the stretch & lines that Gloucester is derived from it is interesting.
Hey, Erica Mullica made it to what is Gloucester county.Harrison twp.
As far as the spelling ( The IA vs. AI ) That's not uncommon.
( Look at briage )
Things,places , and towns being named for people, anything is possible wouldn't you say ??
Oh, and there is a Goshen in Cape May county ( Middle twp )
Feel free to let me know if you don't see possibilities here.
Just interesting stuff.


Ephraim must have been Emhriam's brother. :D

Steve
 

LARGO

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BEHR655 said:
Ephraim must have been Emhriam's brother. :D

Steve

One never knows, heck names, places & the names of place.
Like I said, was "Ephraim" the first or last name. So many of these
little bits intrique me. Especially where the names are derived from
as they appear on older maps vs. today.

As for the new bridge with the cold unpleasant name,
Real piece of engineering wizardry there.
Isn't it just nestled on the old pilings? Little too close to the water for comfort.
 

LARGO

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Re-opening A Topic

Didn't think I should have mixed this in with Neil's Goshen thread...
I do not know if Guy actually ever solved this question. I noticed something today though while looking in RMICKLES gallery regarding his pics at Goshen.
The Shamong tax map has a road I've always known as Burnt House road and even seen on some maps as an extention of Sandy Cause way ( which I never thought was accurate ) listed as Ephriam Road. Well, at least on the other side of the bridge anyway, which might explain it. The piece I once read regarding Burnt House road leading to Ephraims Tavern has me perplexed. I know what it is down my way but it seems to get changed around up there. It is not depicted as well on Neil's 1846 map. but all the maps basically show it as the same road coming across at Rariton on the same place.
Anybody know what gives?

G.
 

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You would think that if the portion between Atsion and the bridge was Ephraim's road the complete road would be called that. I would guess that Burnt House Road is a more modern name. I have not really researched the road names in that area.

Guy
 

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Burnt House Road/Three Bridge Road originates up in Indian Mills at Willow Grove Road in front of the General Store.
The road continues southwest and is called Three Bridge Road south of Stokes and runs to Atsion Road. You have to zig east and then zag southwest onto the road into Goshen Pond where I have always known it as Three Bridge Road.
Look at GoogleEarth starting at N39d 47m 36s x W74d 44m 39s and you can follow a more or less direct route from the General Store all the way to Waterford..
It continues south-southwest out to Chew Road.
Some maps have it as Sandy Causeway from Chew to Goshen. Since 1983 when I moved here, I have known it as Three Bridge Road as soon as you cross the Jersey Central tracks north of Chew.
If I had to guess and I would be guessing, Ephraim's might have been in Indian Mills. The General Store looks like a likely place.
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It was right at the intersection of Atsion road and Ephraims/Burnt House/Three Bridge Road.

Guy
 
After suffering a financial reversal, Charles Read sold his Atsion Iron works to Henry Drinker and Abel James during March 1773. Henry Drinker’s wife, Elizabeth Drinker, records her first visit to the ironworks in her diary. The family spent the night of 11 April 1773 in Moorestown before setting out the next day for Atsion and stopping at Taunton for a brief rest and spending the night with Lawrence Salter, for whom Salter's Ditch is named. Elizabeth records (her spelling throughout):

13 April Went this Morning in Lawrence Salter’s Waggon to Goshen 2 miles from the Iron Works, to take dinner to Henry Drinker, Lawrence Salter and others who have been the greatest part of this Day, survaying the Lands; we examined the saw Mill, then return’d to Atsiunk to a Late dinner, left the Men behind.

14 April Went after dinner in Lawrence Salter’s Waggon to the Seader Swamp, sat in the Carriage while the men went out to examine the Swamp. …Call’d in our way back at Ephrime Clynes at Goashan

Ephraim Cline resided near Goshen. In 1792, he married Rachel Salter, daughter of Joseph Salter, one of the owners of Atsion Furnace. He reportedly opened his tavern in 1798 in the southwest quadrant of the intersection of Atsion Road and Ephraim/Burnt House Road facing Atsion Road. The road and the bridge that led to Cline’s Ingin or Indian King Tavern took on the name Ephraim or Ephraim’s because of the tavern and its owner. After amassing a large holding of real estate, Cline died in September 1844, “at an advanced age,” and the estate administrators, Frances S. Cline and Caleb Shreve, held a sale at the house, which included “All his personal property, household goods, and bar furniture.” Sometime between the sale and circa 1850, the tavern burned down and the locals changed the road name from Ephraim’s Road to Burnt House Road. The Shamong Township map in the 1876 Scott Atlas of Burlington County even labels the “burned house.” In looking at the modern Franklin Map atlas of Camden and Burlington counties, the map labels the road in Camden County as "Burnt House Road," but when it crosses into Burlington County, it becomes "Ephraim Road" between the bridge and Atsion Road. Jogging northwest, you enter upon Three Bridges Road before that road once again becomes Burnt House Road.

Best regards,
Jerseyman
 

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Wow !!!
That pretty much ties it all together, all the events and all the names.
So it was the first name and not the last after all. I have seen the Cline name yet I never connected the Burnt house reference to the tavern or the three bridges bit while I've seen it on maps. One more hole filled in. As good as it is to learn these things it is getting a little scary that a topic can't get by this guy. Well, the buck stops here. thanks once again Jerseyman. A Thanks to RednekF350 for the heads up as well.

G.
 

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I have a more recent map distributed this year. On that map the bridge is entitled..."Polystyrene carbonate plastisol bridge number 001."

Has a nice ring to it right? I am holding my breath for when they make the covered bridge walkway at Bamber Lake out of plastic.

Bob,

"Plastic Wood" is the building material of the future. We are not growing enough "high--quality" wood to satisfy our burgeoning needs. It is not sensible, either for economic, or for a wide variety of environmental reasons, to buy wood from abroad...

The boneheads who have the "clout" to make the appropriate policy are, as usual, caving--in to the pressures of the lobbyists for the "container industry." Oil that can be put to better use elsewhere is being used for one--use food packaging, and for those hard--to--open (without an "Arkansas Toothpick," that is) plastic bubbles that enclase consumer electronics, DIY tools and who knows what else :bang:

Yoghurt cups, Mickey D's styrofoam packaging, styrofoam coffee cups, packaging "peanuts" and inserts of all kinds used to wind--up in the landfill, because the local politically connected, "honchos," who are paid huge bucks to watch "holes in the ground," didn't want to recycle it. The reason is simple: The mass to volume rato was too small! For the same reason, it also occupies a large part of open landfills.

The bridge you reference was created from "plastic wood" made from recycled yoghurt and Mickey D's "Big Mac" containers: I do not recollect the exact number... However, the cost of the building materials was considerably less than if more traditional materials had been used. Also, if I remember correctly, the building process (construction) was eased somewhat, because of the materials that were used.

Polystyrene and polycarbonate are two of the FDA--approved, "food grade" plastics. As such, they should not impact the ecosystem in a negative manner. However, if left in the sun (and weather) long enough, plastic will gradually fail and disintegrate. The mean time to failure can be prolonged by the addition of any number of chemicals/fillers/colorants/pigments that protect against UV in several ways. Similarly, the plasticity of some types of plastics can be increased by adding plasticisers. Some of these chemicals may not be "environmentallty friendly."

It would, indeed, be interesting to know the exact composition of the materials that went into the construction of that bridge --- and how they may have been modified to attain a longer life than more traditional building materials.

"Plastic wood" is being used more and more in marine construction --- in making bulkheads, for example. Also, several shore towns with boardwalks have trial--tested "plastic wood" as an alternative to more traditional woods (that splinter, and are the source of innumerable lawsuits each year), and slow--growing, exotic hardwoods from tropical forests. To date, the usage of such materials, which are, admittedly, still quite expensive, seems to be limited to the odd, donated "park bench" here and there. The public, in general, does not seem to be "enthralled."

While I, myself, probably wouldn't choose this material for construction in closed living quarters, I certainly feel that the utilization of materials made from unrenewable resources that were once thought of as "trash" are being "recycled" in a manner that seems to benefit both the economy and the environment.

ebsi
 

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Teegate:

I am wondereing if maybe our 2 posts should be merged into one. I know I am duplicating my reply in my own post, but here goes anyway:

I find it interesting that Elizabeth Drinker in her diary said "13 April Went this Morning in Lawrence Salter’s Waggon to Goshen 2 miles from the Iron Works". It is almost exactly 2 miles to the Sandy Causway crossing, near the Goshen Campground. It is FOUR miles to Goshen Bridge. Is it possible that the names "Goshen Bridge Road" and "Goshen House Road" are grossly inaccurate???? It would then make sense that the community of Goshen was located 2 miles from the furnace (Atsion), which would be very close to the campground.
 

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I am not an expert in road names, and this area sure has it's problems. I really am confused at all the different thoughts and questions in this thread.

Guy
 

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Took A Walk

I am wondereing if maybe our 2 posts should be merged into one.

I think I am about to make this thread blending issue worse. The following is related to both, but I'll stick it here and let the bridge run my topic. I took off yesterday as I had 2 kid related school engagements. Ironically, my first took me into Shamong where I smiled as I crossed the "paved" version of Scott's Three Bridge Road where it crosses Stokes. In between the 2 events I had some time to kill. I decided to visit the "Plastic Fantastic", my new name for the bridge. Now, time being limited as much as I wanted to take my truck and come through the woods via Fleming Pike or Sandy Causeway and pick up Burnt House road in to Goshen, I wanted more foot time so I came in with my car by way of Atsion road on the campsite side. It's actually faster from where I live.
I took the road that I have renamed... Ephriam's Sandy Burnt Road. Solves that problem now don't it? Only spent a short time in the campsite proper, just checking where the pond comes into the stream and it's not the side I was concerned with anyway. Beavers seem to be active? Water is wicked high and it is moving! I really wanted to loosely skirt some of Ben's "canals" and spend time on the other side of the bridge.
The Plastic Fantastic itself.... well, I'll have to meet BobPbx in the middle on this one. Like I said it will be around forever but, like Bob's Picnic table, it's not lookin' too good. I think they really undershot on it's structural support and overestimated it's strength. It is warping worse from last I saw and the sag factor is way high! See some pics in gallery. The stream was actually running right across the bridge just as nice as you please. High water was not even a good excuse. This baby was laid out poorly.
My walkabout was on the Camden county side at water's edges and in the general area 39 44.53 74 45.59. While there is nothing obvious that area sure gives the appearance of something. I went on and off trails and by waters edge in no particular pattern. The blend of pines giving way to cedars mixed in on that side is as if an artist meant with brush stroke to change one medium subtly to another. Kinda cool of you were to see what I mean.
A nice time out. Some things I did find... A full length lawn chair propped nicely so as to view the pond from the South side. A fairly effective dam on one of the canals made by kids as it would seem. A sizable scat that at first appeared to have fragile little bones of birds and then on close inspection I also found fur ( grey/ squirrell ? ) and a little set of teeth in it. No remarkable footprints in the vicinity though. The winning piece, a monstrous black U.S. mailbox in some ferns at the water's edge.
Not a little one, remember those big old steel jobbies? about a 16" mouth.
Still in decent shape. I thought, who would drag this out here? So I took it out. Was gonna fill it with cans and bottles but, enough is enough, I'll save that for quad trips. My wife of course ponders how I go out into nature and come back with a Godzilla mailbox.
Well, I am no Archeologist so, no Goshen yesterday but a nice time out as the weather was on my side. A very nice area to wander around by trail or waterway. So next time you find yourself out on Ephriam's Sandy Burnt Road,
look around for some more missing puzzle pieces.

g.
 

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I think I am about to make this thread blending issue worse. The following is related to both, but I'll stick it here and let the bridge run my topic. I took off yesterday as I had 2 kid related school engagements. Ironically, my first took me into Shamong where I smiled as I crossed the "paved" version of Scott's Three Bridge Road where it crosses Stokes. In between the 2 events I had some time to kill. I decided to visit the "Plastic Fantastic", my new name for the bridge. Now, time being limited as much as I wanted to take my truck and come through the woods via Fleming Pike or Sandy Causeway and pick up Burnt House road in to Goshen, I wanted more foot time so I came in with my car by way of Atsion road on the campsite side. It's actually faster from where I live.
I took the road that I have renamed... Ephriam's Sandy Burnt Road. Solves that problem now don't it? Only spent a short time in the campsite proper, just checking where the pond comes into the stream and it's not the side I was concerned with anyway. Beavers seem to be active? Water is wicked high and it is moving! I really wanted to loosely skirt some of Ben's "canals" and spend time on the other side of the bridge.
The Plastic Fantastic itself.... well, I'll have to meet BobPbx in the middle on this one. Like I said it will be around forever but, like Bob's Picnic table, it's not lookin' too good. I think they really undershot on it's structural support and overestimated it's strength. It is warping worse from last I saw and the sag factor is way high! See some pics in gallery. The stream was actually running right across the bridge just as nice as you please. High water was not even a good excuse. This baby was laid out poorly.
My walkabout was on the Camden county side at water's edges and in the general area 39 44.53 74 45.59. While there is nothing obvious that area sure gives the appearance of something. I went on and off trails and by waters edge in no particular pattern. The blend of pines giving way to cedars mixed in on that side is as if an artist meant with brush stroke to change one medium subtly to another. Kinda cool of you were to see what I mean.
A nice time out. Some things I did find... A full length lawn chair propped nicely so as to view the pond from the South side. A fairly effective dam on one of the canals made by kids as it would seem. A sizable scat that at first appeared to have fragile little bones of birds and then on close inspection I also found fur ( grey/ squirrell ? ) and a little set of teeth in it. No remarkable footprints in the vicinity though. The winning piece, a monstrous black U.S. mailbox in some ferns at the water's edge.
Not a little one, remember those big old steel jobbies? about a 16" mouth.
Still in decent shape. I thought, who would drag this out here? So I took it out. Was gonna fill it with cans and bottles but, enough is enough, I'll save that for quad trips. My wife of course ponders how I go out into nature and come back with a Godzilla mailbox.
Well, I am no Archeologist so, no Goshen yesterday but a nice time out as the weather was on my side. A very nice area to wander around by trail or waterway. So next time you find yourself out on Ephriam's Sandy Burnt Road,
look around for some more missing puzzle pieces.

g.

Good post Largo. Godzilla Mailbox! You make me laugh. I like you. You are a very interesting person to be around.

At Webb's Mill, which a lot of us feel is a sacred place, they constructed the boardwalk (that is meant to transport the uninitiated around a bog filled with indigenous pine barren plants), out of frigging plastic. I was there 3 weeks ago, and if you run your fingernail across the top rail, the plastic is coming off from ultraviolet rays. Its sacriligious I tell you.
 

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I do not know how to post a link but I found on the internet that the bridge cost $75,000 to build. If it was made out of wood it would have cost $340,000. That is a nice savings. Hopefully it holds up to the test of time. By the way the article stated that the bridge was made out of recycled material from soda bottles and so on. It added that 2 engineers from Rutgers were the ones behind it. http://governing.com/textbook/bridges.htm That is the website, sorry I'm not that proficient on the computer.
 
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