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ebsi2001

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I reviewed Ben's "complete" list of furnaces and forges with my informant. None of the names were "familiar." :cry: She says she was there as a "child" --- perhaps as long as 8 decades ago... The "place" was a large depression in the ground, perhaps 10 X 12 ft. or 12 X 14 ft. She feels the name of the place ended in "--ier."

The only name I can think of, off hand, is "Janvier," the name of a gunning club, but she says that isn't the name... :cry:

Since the person being researched was involved in some way with supplying the furnaces and forges (possibly with wood/charcoal), the "place" she is referring to could be a furnace or a forge --- or possibly the site of a charcoal kiln...

Any ideas? Any names? :confused:

ebsi

P.S.: Many thanks for your list, Ben! :)

e.
 
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jokerman

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Just a stab, Colliers Mill ends in "ier", no furnace or forge there as far as I can remember. There are numerous other former furnace/forge sites in the state, the list gives most of all those from Ocean County down to the bottom of the State. The other ones I can think of don't have an "ier" at the end though. Locale would certainly help.
 
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That 1833 map of Gordon's is the coolest, niftiest map going. It is a red hot source of amazement to me. It shows a forge in ruins in 1833 about a mile south of Hampton Furnace with no name. On the Batsto. Any of you know what that is?

Also noted that Salters ditch between the Mullica and Sleeper is shown on the map.
 
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bobpbx said:
Also noted that Salters ditch between the Mullica and Sleeper is shown on the map.
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They just call it "Ditch" :)



BEHR655 said:
Seems too close to Hampton to be Lower Forge
Steve
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Yea it does. More research is needed here.

Guy
 
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We need to do some exploring in the Salter Ditch area Bob. I can show you the Goshen ruins Ben and I found also.

Guy
 
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jokerman

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I think that sign on Carranza Road is inaccurate. That's my $0.02! I've never seen any evidence of that Stamping Mill anywhere else, but the people tha put it there may? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything being there, but that is not untypical of many places. Hampton built Lower Forge for refinery of it's furnace products, was there ever any evidence of a more nearby forge. I don't think there was. I feel confident that my assertion regarding the "in ruins" reference, but wouldn't mind being proved wrong if it improves accuracy. Another note of interest..you can see the difference between "Old Half Way" and "Half Way" by comparing the Cook Maps with the 1839 map.
 
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ebsi2001

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bobpbx said:
What general locale might the said informant be referring to?
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She does not know. However, from what I know about the person in question, he lived in Burlington County and what, today, is known as "Ocean County;" and he was, from all indications, on a first name basis with the owner of Batsto, as well as with Miller Howard and Judge Burr (Burr's Mills).

I think, we could limit his "action radius" to what today are Atlantic, Camden, Burlington Monmouth and Ocean counties --- with emphasis on Burlington County and southern Monmouth and Ocean Counties.

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jokerman

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Wow, I have a personal intense interest in Burr's Mill. This industry is certainly one of the oldest and most ignored. Let us know if any information is available in your possession. As can be seen, this used to be one of the only places shown on old maps, not that other operations existed, but obviously the road was once very important that it was on.
 
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jokerman said:
Wow, I have a personal intense interest in Burr's Mill. This industry is certainly one of the oldest and most ignored. Let us know if any information is available in your possession. As can be seen, this used to be one of the only places shown on old maps, not that other operations existed, but obviously the road was once very important that it was on.
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A student of mine lives on Burrs Mill Rd. I believe his wifes family owns a great deal of the property there (not the sand operation). I doubt he knows much about the history.
 
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ebsi2001 said:
I think, we could limit his "action radius" to what today are Atlantic, Camden, Burlington Monmouth and Ocean counties --- with emphasis on Burlington County and southern Monmouth and Ocean Counties.

ebsi
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Well, that narrows it down!:)
 
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jokerman said:
I think that sign on Carranza Road is inaccurate. That's my $0.02! I've never seen any evidence of that Stamping Mill anywhere else, but the people tha put it there may? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything being there, but that is not untypical of many places. Hampton built Lower Forge for refinery of it's furnace products, was there ever any evidence of a more nearby forge. I don't think there was. I feel confident that my assertion regarding the "in ruins" reference, but wouldn't mind being proved wrong if it improves accuracy. Another note of interest..you can see the difference between "Old Half Way" and "Half Way" by comparing the Cook Maps with the 1839 map.
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I am not so sure that you can trust those maps to be perfectly accurate. If you notice on the Gordon 1833 map the "Prince" person who did the " reconnaissance" noticed that "Half Way" was marked in the wrong location (at Woodmansie). He then hand wrote Half Way along the Burlington County Line next to the circle that should have been the correct location.

Even that circle is in question. Scott W. said he used this map to note the true location of Half Way, but that is not an accurate way to decide that. I have many survey maps of that area and every one is wrong to some degree. I know that by finding the stones and plotting their GPS locations and finding them obviously in a different county than the maps shows.

These old maps are nice, but....


Guy
 
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bobpbx said:
So you are saying Gordon's 1833 is kind of like Henry Beck, great reading and fun to muse over, but if your a stickler for accurate details......:bang:
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I am not pointing out that map, just all of the maps in general. Obviously, because of the times they have flaws and you can't use them completely as historical fact. Agree???

Guy
 
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