My hunch that "Pettit's Old Road" was an older name for Sailor Boy Road doesn't quite make sense to me anymore, unless Newtown was nowhere near Newton Creek. Hmm....
Tavern in Pleasant Mills, NJ
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OK... I have a question and an observation...
1. Newton or Newtown, and how does this name come into play? On the 1812 map, Pine Creek is Pine Creek. In 1828 and 1872 the maps now read Newton or Pine Creek. Who was Newton? Did he come to the area after 1812, and if so, what part did he play in the area history? I don't recognize the name.... should I?
2. In the copy of Beck's article regarding the Tavern search for Garoutte's establishment, it states that he married Sophia Smith and they had 13 children. Michael and Sophia die =/- 1829. Of their 13 children, one marries an Asher Dayton who was supposed to have settled the village of Asterdaten (sp?)..... BUT, on the 1872 F.W. Beers map that Jerseyman provides, there is a A. Dayton indicated as residing just above Beck and Vanmeter's place. Same person?
Like Gabe says.... just thinking. Now going for a walk.
Terry
1. Newton or Newtown, and how does this name come into play? On the 1812 map, Pine Creek is Pine Creek. In 1828 and 1872 the maps now read Newton or Pine Creek. Who was Newton? Did he come to the area after 1812, and if so, what part did he play in the area history? I don't recognize the name.... should I?
2. In the copy of Beck's article regarding the Tavern search for Garoutte's establishment, it states that he married Sophia Smith and they had 13 children. Michael and Sophia die =/- 1829. Of their 13 children, one marries an Asher Dayton who was supposed to have settled the village of Asterdaten (sp?)..... BUT, on the 1872 F.W. Beers map that Jerseyman provides, there is a A. Dayton indicated as residing just above Beck and Vanmeter's place. Same person?
Like Gabe says.... just thinking. Now going for a walk.
Terry
Terry,
The description of the road to Newtown suggests that it was a place name, and not a surname. This is all "new" to me, so I don't know quite where it was, although I share SpungMan's hunch that it was located about here: http://maps.njpinebarrens.com/#lat=39.576751512646624&lng=-74.65269096168515&z=16&type=nj1930&gpx=
The description of the road to Newtown suggests that it was a place name, and not a surname. This is all "new" to me, so I don't know quite where it was, although I share SpungMan's hunch that it was located about here: http://maps.njpinebarrens.com/#lat=39.576751512646624&lng=-74.65269096168515&z=16&type=nj1930&gpx=
You all are amazing!
I do not live it NJ nor do I know the history of the land. And I have to admit that I get quite confused with all the replies to this discussion. I generated this discussion back in October and have watched diligently to see if there is an answer to the name & location of the tavern that Michael Antoine Garoutte owned.
Replying to Terry,,,Michael Garoutte did marry Sophia Smith. They did have 13 children. Michael died in 1829 and Sophia died in 1817. Not sure which daughter marries Asher Dayton off hand. Are you saying that he inherited the tavern?
Thank you, Lisa
I do not live it NJ nor do I know the history of the land. And I have to admit that I get quite confused with all the replies to this discussion. I generated this discussion back in October and have watched diligently to see if there is an answer to the name & location of the tavern that Michael Antoine Garoutte owned.
Replying to Terry,,,Michael Garoutte did marry Sophia Smith. They did have 13 children. Michael died in 1829 and Sophia died in 1817. Not sure which daughter marries Asher Dayton off hand. Are you saying that he inherited the tavern?
Thank you, Lisa
Lisa,
Jerseyman posted a Henry Beck article in post #4 to this thread. In that article, there seems to be some question as to where Asher Dayton ended up....I just happened to see the name A. Dayton (maybe Asher, maybe not) on the 4th map that JM posted. Take a look at the 4th map (the one pieced together in two parts). Looking again, I see a residence of J. Smith (another family name) just above Dayton's. So what I am saying is, the children of Michael & Sophia perhaps appear to have stayed in the area. I would look into the children and their spouses and see what you can dig up about them and their occupations. Often a child would follow his parent's occupation.
Not knowing much about this search, it just seems unusual to have two family names living next to each other on Elwood Rd. between Weymouth and Pleasant Mills. Then again, maybe not.
Good luck with your search....
Terry
Jerseyman posted a Henry Beck article in post #4 to this thread. In that article, there seems to be some question as to where Asher Dayton ended up....I just happened to see the name A. Dayton (maybe Asher, maybe not) on the 4th map that JM posted. Take a look at the 4th map (the one pieced together in two parts). Looking again, I see a residence of J. Smith (another family name) just above Dayton's. So what I am saying is, the children of Michael & Sophia perhaps appear to have stayed in the area. I would look into the children and their spouses and see what you can dig up about them and their occupations. Often a child would follow his parent's occupation.
Not knowing much about this search, it just seems unusual to have two family names living next to each other on Elwood Rd. between Weymouth and Pleasant Mills. Then again, maybe not.
Good luck with your search....
Terry
Al, it's further up river..... were they your prints? 
Late in the afternoon before heading out, I heard coyotes at dusk. I often do in that area. Lot of deer prints too.
Late in the afternoon before heading out, I heard coyotes at dusk. I often do in that area. Lot of deer prints too.
No not mine.I just got done hoot owl shift and missed out on the snow completely because of it.now it's slop and I want it to go away.I love powder,I hate slop.
I reviewed the Hopkins map, and saw the watercourse adjacent to Newton Creek was Negro Creek. Is it possible that Newtown was a black hamlet, hence its obscurity? The nearby charcoal hamlet of Carmantown had at least two locations, one in Laureldale and one about a mile west of the McKee City (racetrack) defunct circle on US Route 40. Woodcutter camps were ephemeral, moving with forest resource exhaustion and forest fires. I have never been able to find a good explanation for the origin of Newtonville's name, which hosted an obscure black coaling community and is only eight miles from Newton Creek. I wonder if there is any shared heritage between Newtown and Newtonville?
Hopkins, G.M., 1873: Combined Atlas of the State of New Jersey and the City of Newark. Newark, NJ: G.M. Hopkins & Co. 120 pp. (p. 23, County of Atlantic).
S-M
Hopkins, G.M., 1873: Combined Atlas of the State of New Jersey and the City of Newark. Newark, NJ: G.M. Hopkins & Co. 120 pp. (p. 23, County of Atlantic).
S-M
SpungMan,
I believe that Negro Creek got its name from David Mapps, who owned land along the stream.
I believe that Negro Creek got its name from David Mapps, who owned land along the stream.
turtle said:
Some more relevant information:
"Deed (1824) from Gibson Ashcraft to Nicholas Sooy Thompson, property boundary at School House Run." (W.L. Vol. 15, p. 202)
I also have in my notes (although I somehow forgot to name the source. doh!) that Nicholas Sooy Thompston applied for tavern license for lafayette tavern in 1829.
So we know that the Lafayette Tavern was located on Indian Cabin Road. If I were a betting man, I'd say that the Lafayette Tavern was situated nearby School House Run, around here:
http://maps.njpinebarrens.com/#lat=39.626581006183244&lng=-74.65521424981591&z=20&type=hybrid&gpx=
Here's something in my notes about Higbee's Green Tree Tavern, again without a source! I know, I know...
"Higbee's Tavern (aka Green Tree Tavern) was located at Moss Mill Rd. and Rt. 9. Built in 1776 by John Steelman."
Now I'm cornfused.
"Higbee's Tavern (aka Green Tree Tavern) was located at Moss Mill Rd. and Rt. 9. Built in 1776 by John Steelman."
Now I'm cornfused.
OK, my note about Nicholas Sooy Thompson applying for a tavern license comes from a geneaological work by Juneanne Wescoat Glick. I have not viewed the text, and only a snippet is available through Google Books. The snippet reads as follows:
"In 1829 Nicholas s. Thompson applied for a tavern license for the "Lafayette Tavern"...near the Forks....Galloway. Signing for Mr. Thompson's petition was Thomas Wescoat."
"In 1829 Nicholas s. Thompson applied for a tavern license for the "Lafayette Tavern"...near the Forks....Galloway. Signing for Mr. Thompson's petition was Thomas Wescoat."
Comment: in these posts of historical places, people have done a huge amount of research into original documents as well as written histories. But. In the documentation examined I see deeds, newspaper items, diaries, maps, regulations and ordinances, etc. But never a reference to County tax lists.
In Pennsylvania genealogical research in the early 1800's those lists can be the only data source available. Do they not exist here in Jersey? I'm gonna contact a friend who's Burlington County Ass't Clerk to see if we have those documents archived from the time of the Revolution..... If extant, they should be very useful in determining who owned what and when and how much ......
In Pennsylvania genealogical research in the early 1800's those lists can be the only data source available. Do they not exist here in Jersey? I'm gonna contact a friend who's Burlington County Ass't Clerk to see if we have those documents archived from the time of the Revolution..... If extant, they should be very useful in determining who owned what and when and how much ......
Gabe,
This makes sense because Michael Garoutte died in 1829. Nicholas S. Thompson's will, 27 years later in 1856 leaves land, tavern house & hotel in Atlantic County. The hotel name is Pleasant Mills Hotel and it encompasses 13 acres.
Terry
Need to find a document that connects, by written proof that Michael Garoutte had ties to the Lafayette Tavern.