Thinking about Aserdaten

[MarkBNJ]

That was the home of Zebulon Collins or Colliers, then it was various gun clubs with the last one the Eureka. Read Jersey Genesis by Beck and concentrate on The Adventure of Aserdaten chapter.

The bridge there is Black's Bridge which Beck mentions. He also called it the "little span". It is now private property.

Guy

Thanks for the tip, Guy. It's always nice to put a name in place of the question mark in my file . That story makes a lot of sense given what's there. The corrugated metal on the top of the pile must have been from the last gun club. I'm assuming fire got it?

Edit: I see it on the map you posted, now. Didn't quite get it first time I looked at it.

 

[bobpbx]

The text is just mentioning the owners, acres, and who it was deeded to.

http://teegate.njpinebarrens.com/misc/01.jpg

As for the grid lines 21 and 22 I am not going to tell you. Think about what it could be that would interest me that would go through there in a straight line.

Guy

No, I mean the name below those, right next to the crossroads on the left. It is one word.

Are you speaking of the big "L"?

 

[Teegate]

No, I mean the name below those, right next to the crossroads on the left. It is one word.

Are you speaking of the big "L"?

The big L it is

If you notice directly to the right of the words in black that say Z Collins there is a black dot. That is where his house was. Now the word you want also has a black dot next to it at the intersection you mention. So one can assume it is telling us where something is. Now it looks like the first part of the word is Star much like Star Tree corner which is the intersection right before the old foundation of the Cedar Bridge tower. If that says Star Tree we have a problem or the map is incorrect. Star Tree corner is a long distance from Aserdaten.

The problem now is I have to boot into Windows to use my old scanner, and I have to get to bed. First day back to work in a week and a half So it will have to wait until tomorrow. I will leave the map out so I don't forget it.

Guy

 

[Ben Ruset]

Why is there a dot at Zeb Collins and a picture of a house at Aserdaten, Old Half Way, New Half Way, and right by New Half Way?

 

[Teegate]

Why is there a dot at Zeb Collins and a picture of a house at Aserdaten, Old Half Way, New Half Way, and right by New Half Way?

Just a guess I would say Zeb was not upper-class as the Webb's were. I can't really say.

Guy

 

[woodjin]

Jeff, what clearings?

If I recall correctly, the lack of undergrowth, relatively younger and sparse trees compared to the rest of the woods near the ruins, lead us to suspect an old clearing. We guessed that could have been the deer farm. But that is my memory of it, maybe I just thought that.

Jeff

 

[Ben Ruset]

Hm, I don't remember seeing any of that. Is it on the same side of Jones Rd. as the house ruins?

 

[jokerman]

Why is there a dot at Zeb Collins and a picture of a house at Aserdaten, Old Half Way, New Half Way, and right by New Half Way?

The "dot" that is shown at Zeb Collier's place appears to be the typical symbol for a hotel or tavern that I typically see on old maps. It looks like a clef note. The line up from the dot seems to blend into the other detail shown there so it looks like a dot.

 

[Ben Ruset]

The "dot" that is shown at Zeb Collier's place appears to be the typical symbol for a hotel or tavern that I typically see on old maps. It looks like a clef note. The line up from the dot seems to blend into the other detail shown there so it looks like a dot.

So they would draw a dot for a hotel/tavern, and a huge house for a house?

Plus there was never a tavern or hotel there. It was always a private house and later a gun club.

 

[Teegate]

Here is the scan Bob.

Guy

 

[woodjin]

Hm, I don't remember seeing any of that. Is it on the same side of Jones Rd. as the house ruins?

Yes.

I recall there being a thought that it would have been odd to have live stock that close to human living quarters. If Guy or Bob want to chime in to confirm my recollection, it will help to confirm if I am remembering correctly.

 

[Jerseyman]

Gentlemen:

This is a great thread on a truly fascinating location. However, what I have to add to the discussion at this juncture might only muddy the waters a bit. If the survey that Renee mentioned in her message is found in WNJ SGO Survey Volume X, page 253, this record contains NO mention of Aserdaten or any spelling variation thereof. The Council of Proprietors for the Western Division of New Jersey issued a warrant on 3 February 1796 to the Surveyor General for surveying 1,400 acres unto Josiah, Mark, and William Reeves. These Reeves conveyed the 1,400 acres to Josiah Foster, Thomas Hollinshead, and Joseph Stokes and Moses Kempton, a deputy of the Surveyor General, laid out the metes and bounds for these three gentlemen on behalf of the three Reeves. While I do have microfilm of all the survey volumes, unfortunately, I do not have film of the early county deed books, which is where the three Reeves filed the indenture, dated 4 February 1796, between themselves and Foster, Hollinshead, and Stokes. Guy's survey confirms all of the above information. The resurvey record describes the 1,400 acres as lying "in the angle…Situate on the westerly side of a true line between the Eastern and Western Division of the State." The metes and bounds begin "at a stake in the mouth of a small branch called Cherry Valley Branch, where it empties into the main south branch of Cedar Creek called Chamberlain Branch, from which it runs up the Water Course of the said Cherry Valley Branch the several courses thereof the general course being (1) South eleven degrees and thirty minutes East eighteen chains thence (2) South twenty four degrees and fifteen minutes East fifteen chains thence (3) North seventy seven degrees and thirty minutes East fifty chains (4) thence South eight degrees and fifteen minutes East forty three chains and fifty links thence (5) South seventy seven degrees and fifteen minutes East eight chains and fifty links thence (6) North sixty four degrees and forty five minutes East twenty chains and fifty links thence (7) South fifty three degrees and fifteen minutes East forty chains and thirty links thence (8) South twenty two degrees and thirty minutes East thirty chains thence (9) East fifty eight chains thence (10) North sixty five chains thence (11) North forty five degrees East sixty two chains and twenty links thence (12) North forty six degrees and thrity minues West one hundred and twenty eight chains and eighty links to the said Chamberlain Branch thence up the said Chamberlain Branch the several course to the place of beginning."

If the resurvey mentioned in Renee's message is found in a different volume and page, I would love to have that citation to add to my files--particularly if it contains the toponym "Aserdaten"!! As far as I know, though, this survey is the one she references. In the past, I have looked at other surveys involving Foster, Hollinshead, and Stokes, but none of them mention Aserdaten.

Sorry if this post adds to your confusion. I will post additional information on Aserdaten as time permits.

Best regards,
Jerseyman

 

[Teegate]

Gentlemen:

runs up the Water Course of the said Cherry Valley Branch the several courses thereof the general course being (1) South eleven degrees and thirty minutes East eighteen chains thence (2) South twenty four degrees and fifteen minutes East fifteen chains thence (3) North seventy seven degrees and thirty minutes East fifty chains (4) thence South eight degrees and fifteen minutes East forty three chains and fifty links thence (5) South seventy seven degrees and fifteen minutes East eight chains and fifty links thence (6) North sixty four degrees and forty five minutes East twenty chains and fifty links thence (7) South fifty three degrees and fifteen minutes East forty chains and thirty links thence (8) South twenty two degrees and thirty minutes East thirty chains thence (9) East fifty eight chains thence (10) North sixty five chains thence (11) North forty five degrees East sixty two chains and twenty links thence (12) North forty six degrees and thrity minues West one hundred and twenty eight chains and eighty links to the said Chamberlain Branch thence up the said Chamberlain Branch the several course to the place of beginning."

I should be able to find all those locations .. yea right!

Guy

 

[Ben Ruset]

I wonder when Stuyvesant got ahold of the property.

 

[Jerseyman]

I wonder when Stuyvesant got ahold of the property.

Ben:

The only listing for Petrus Stuyvesant in the typescript index of the Colonial Conveyances, Provinces of East and West New Jersey is for "Bergen." So, if Stuyvesant owned the property known today as Aserdaten--and I have read the various accounts of this place that state he did--he likely lost ownership of it when English forces gained temporary control of New Netherland in 1664 and full control in 1675. He did not arrive in the New World until 1647, so if he owned the land, that ownership functioned sometime between 1647 and 1664. A check of New Netherland patroonship assignment records would probably yield information on whether Stuyvesant did, indeed, own Aserdaten.

Best regards,
Jerseyman

 

[jokerman]

So they would draw a dot for a hotel/tavern, and a huge house for a house?

Plus there was never a tavern or hotel there. It was always a private house and later a gun club.

Here is the symbol I was taken from an old map showing the symbol for a hotel or tavern. It looks like what is shown on the scanned map.

 

[james ungehajer]

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Gunter.html

Chains and links.











Jim

 

[Teegate]

Jerseyman,

If you notice the Cherry Valley Branch is mentioned on my map. I would put that near 539 at the Chamberlain branch.

Also, Josiah Foster, Thomas Hollinshead, Joseph Stokes and Moses Kempton are mentioned in the below map. They owned quite a bit of property in that area. It mentions Kempton as the deputy surveyor These two locations are at Howardsville and along 72 right near Howardsville. I have altered the maps somewhat if you notice.

Guy

 

[Jerseyman]

Guy:

I did notice Cherry Valley Branch on your map the first time I looked at it. This led me, in part, to submit my initial message in this thread. Relative to the SGO survey references on your most recent map upload, if you need copies of any or all of these surveys, just let me know.

Best regards,
Jerseyman

 

[Teegate]

If they shows stones, I would be interested. If not, then I am in no rush.

BTW, I noticed there is not a mention of stones in your description of the survey. I have found that almost every survey in the 1700's and early 1800's did not use stones. It is not until the mid 1800's that stones came into wide use in the pines. That was confirmed when I talked to a property owner who has an old incised stone that he says never showed up in the survey records until the mid 1800's. He felt it was placed there then and predated.

BTW, I removed the book and page myself. They were not missing.

Guy