Broke Jeep Joe
- Mar 8, 2006
I try to talk with as many people as I can.
and are you sure the gent that didn't want more enforcement was a 4x4 enthusiast? as stated in your above post.
My edit, clicked submit before complete
I try to talk with as many people as I can.
and are you sure he was a 4x4 enthusiast?
The only person I heard that didn't want more patrols was a concerned taxpayer who didn't feel Waterford should be footing the bill for this plan. You can double check the minutes.
Hey Guys, there were multiple people that said they did not want more enforcement. The one fellow I spoke with, and he was a real nice guy by the way, was definitely a 4x4 enthusiast. Now thats not to say he does anything wrong out there, even if he did have 44's on his truck, I don't want to demonize anyone. The path we blocked was a push line to the pond, it looks like it may have been a very very small path in the 1930, but since grown in. I'm not sure if you know your pin is not in the correct place?
I would like to tone this down. I became very concerned when I saw that photo go up here because of the threats that have already taken place. Thats a law enforcement matter and I will not go into detail about it. I would appreciate you updating your post with the accurate information and noting that a correction has been made.
Hey Guys, there were multiple people that said they did not want more enforcement. The one fellow I spoke with, and he was a real nice guy by the way, was definitely a 4x4 enthusiast. Now thats not to say he does anything wrong out there, even if he did have 44's on his truck.
Even if? So you base the propensity to do damage on tire size? Or you just feel the need to mention that for some reason?
I don't want to accuse anyone of doing anything without evidence. That is however what is happening with the photo of the volunteer group and others and you are not saying anything to correct it.
I see a truck and a driver in a parking lot, no evidence of abusing the forest, in fact the truck is not even dirty, but does have 44s on it so your evidence is providing undertones leaning toward the size and tires on the vehicle to possibly do damage. I see a photos of evidence of "volunteers" cut trees and signs blocking my access, I ask you what needs to be corrected about that?
It was a push line cut by the Forest Fire Service during a fire these are temporary and always meant to be closed even if it does take time for the organization to get on it. The pond that the push line lead to was being destroyed by off-roaders and littered with bonfire pits and hundreds of beer cans and other refuse. We removed the refuse by hand, on foot, and provided volunteer labor for the forest fire service and wharton to attempt to prevent any more damage to the pond. This is what should be corrected and I'm confused what your issue is with this. Do you want all push cuts left open? Should all ponds be allowed to be driven through?
Hold on now. Ben was only questioning whether it was a push line, he wasn't saying it wasn't absolutely. Then he requested the exact coords to make a better determination. Also, I wouldn't take Jason's bias with 44's too seriously. He did say that he was NOT making an assumption despite the fact. Lets not get too picky about how we say things. We have the potential of a productive disscussion here, I suggest we take advantage of that.
Actually that "push line" looks like it was a farm road in the 1930s. Not created by the FFS at all.
Jason said: "This Map creates more enforceable routes than currently exist, and thats why the plan is going to help protect these damaged areas. The targeted closure system that we have today is just a game of wack-a-mole because there aren't enough park police to sit on the many hot spots. However if you can watch the entrance and exits to multiple hot spots, you now have a chance of catching more of the land abusers. This is a very simple idea and I want to see if it can work."
I am not so sure about this, Jason. I understand the theory but from my experience there are more entrances and exits than hot spots. Do you know what I mean? a singular hot spot typically has multiple entrances/exits rather than the other way around. it would, in fact, be more practical to to watch the hot spot itself. I believe this to be the case in the majority of areas where ORV damage has occured. Perhaps we could take a look at aerial photos of damaged areas to back this up. I will when I have more time and report back.
The following is a comment that was attached to the Horner post. It illustrates their desperation and the length some of the more extreme members suggest they go. View attachment 6065
hey Woodjin, its good to have your voice in the conversation here. I don't blame tools[4x4s], I even think some of them are cool. Ben's denial of it being a pushcut was based on him not knowing where it was and he still won't update the post. This post by Ben is being spread on the internet and the disinformation contained just continues the paranoia and aggression towards the great people on that volunteer day. These are the people, perhaps like yourselves, that put in work to keep this place clean and who are helping to stop the abuse. Why would this forum want to demonize them?
Why would this forum want to demonize them?