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I think past efforts may have been primarily between appointed officials and the public, but probably not entirely. I do agree that we need to engage more with elected officials, and your regroup sequence. Our DEP Commissioner, Shawn LaTourette, has indicated that he thinks the illegal ORV issue...

Clearly, #FixOurParks will be working with people who want to try and solve the problems. Those who choose to be skeptical or non-participants of any sort are entirely free to make their choices. But I'm ready to talk about specifics anytime, in case anyone wants to do that.

Unfortunately the illegal riders don't observe any maps.

I'm agreeing with you when you say let's not relive the past. Fresh start. Big picture. All the legitimate users want the state to dedicate more resources to state lands. Decaying roads and buildings need to be fixed. State parks should be an attraction, not an embarrassment. Illegal activities...

Ben, I understand why it may seem to you and others to be the same, and it may seem to be pointless, but the only way I know to solve persistent problems is to persist in trying.

Something has to be starting point right? At least the Commission put something on the table. People can say how they want to revise it. Yes, double dash is a motor vehicle road, and single line is footpath. The advantage to having a map is that it gives law-abiding users a clear picture of how...

I think the main takeaways are that the Commission was saying, this is the "baseline" and that the motorized traffic "should" be restricted to roads depicted on this map (compilation of maps), or some revision of this map. It essentially was an attempt to encourage the DEP to use the "baseline"...

Yes, that's it. I think I can get a full-sized copy, but it's a huge file. I don't know why anyone would say it "derives from four U.S. Geological Survey maps...". It obviously draws from 15. Anyway, if both the Pinelands Commission and the DEP continue to agree that this is the "baseline,"...

Yeah, it's essentially a compilation of all the USGS topo maps (various recent iterations) that cover Wharton. Maybe Boyd could help? I asked the staff at the Pinelands Commission to make it available on their web site, but I never got a reply.

We can agree to disagree on the possibility of getting better control of illegal dirt bike traffic. What I'm hoping we can agree on is that there needs to be a map showing the legal lanes of travel on state lands. That would facilitate better enforcement--assuming we get state authorities to...

To me, although this seems like a plausible direction, it always comes down to specifics. Right off the bat, you have the problem that the Pinelands is the most strictly regulated land in the state. People have been looking for decades, and they always come up empty. Seems a lot more likely that...

I don't know what proportion of the illegal dirt bike riding is on plow lines, compared to how much is on newly-created dirt bike trails, but, regardless, illegal is illegal. Eliminate, no, but there are ways to get it better under control. And yes, I do blame the bikers. They are violating...

Yep, that's another issue.

Hey Dave. How you doing?

Happy to catch up with you on another occasion.

I think it would be best if we focus on specific issues and cases. The cases I cited above, for example. Or the case of the state perennially failing to direct resources to the state parks, allowing buildings and roads to crumble. Or the case of endlessly expanding illegal dirt bike trails.

Understood! But it's also possible to make a fresh start, and not repeat the past. It seems to me the problem in the past was too many roads being closed or being proposed to be closed, with not enough public participation in the decision-making. But many of the lanes of motorized travel out...

I won't wish anyone "good luck," because I don't think the situation has anything to do with luck. It has to do with citizens insisting that the lands they paid for should be maintained for their ecological values and for responsible, non-destructive forms of recreation. I rather wish for...

Perfect.

Looks like, so far, you, Tommy, and me, Sunday (afternoon or early evening would be best for me). What time works for you?