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We must have gotten over an inch in 30 minutes.

Yeah, I know it. I may have even done a 'where is it', but it looked different then, I think it had different things there. Not sure.

It's been awhile Guy. Is it the same place I'm thinking of?

Is that a yes, or is it a no.

Incomplete, they left out the plains on the east of 539.

I am worked up about it. You should see some of my posts on the subject of the craziness in my area (Greenwood Forest WMA). But I don't subscribe to the idea that roads should be closed. Not at all. In fact, they should be maintained better for those of us who use them responsibly. There are...

I'd say this is the very beggining of those yellows Guy. You'd have better luck in a week, or 10 days.

Have you noticed the deer flies are way down this year? It's happened before. They lay their eggs near water or dampness, and that's been hard to do lately.

Russ, I don't get why you are so worked up about some of the open roads. Is there a wish list of roads and trails you want the state to close? Let that sleeping dog lie and work on getting the needed enforcement.

I think they need an outlet, yes. Just like they had in Chatsworth. Put about 8 of those in a ring around the pinelands. Use half the fees to create task forces to patrol the taxpayer owned pines for scofflaws, with heavy fines. They won't be able to tell their legislators they have no place to...

Oh, I see. You first sentence is telling. No sense in discussing this any further then. FixOurParks is interpreted to mean, no ATV parks anywhere, anytime unless they meet your stringent criteria.

(1) state land regulations would have to be revised. (so why not get your new group to push for that). (2) it's probably almost impossible, in the Pinelands, to satisfy the regulation (see (1) above). (3) there would be vehement public opposition, due to the fact nobody thinks it's possible to...

I agree. There is enough fringe land, in my opinion, where trails could be set up. But no one outside the state should by welcome; we are too small of a state to accept them. And I would go further to say that it could be state land, but definitely not in the heart of the pine barrens.

You asked for that one!

I've always wanted to do maintenance for NJ where streams cross roadways, but when I asked, they said my group would need insurance. Does PA require Insurance for those wanting to participate in your state forests?

Sold. If you can't find peace and quiet using that map, then you are asking for too much.

Oh no, get that thing outta here. That's what started all the trouble.

That's a nice catch Boyd. But really, we all supported Ben's open letter back in 2016 (snippet below). To me, it's important the members of the forum support that letter and the contents, even if it sacrifices roads under the radar such as that one. NJPineBarrens.com and Open Trails NJ are...

That's odd Bill. I see some in the distance that escaped that kind of scorching.

Does he have signs?