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  1. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I thought we saw a canal on that side, after we walked to New Lisbon road and were walking back. Between the causeway and the road. Maybe I am not remembering it right or I noticed it and you didn't. As for the cranberry bog...there wasn't one, at least not what we know as cranberry bogs. I...
  2. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    Thanks for the claification. My only concern with your observation would be that the causeway where the canal entered was more than a mile downstream from the upper mill millpond, again, my sketch, incorrectly, seems to show upper mill much closer than it actually is. Jeff
  3. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    Very interesting Jerseyman. The idea of a canal dedicated to power lower forge makes sense. Now you are saying that the other canal was inplace to supply water to the bogs system when the causeway was under repair....interesting, I suppose that makes sense, I was thinking that the canal would...
  4. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    Bob and Scott, another thing, do you remember the steep ridges that we saw as we walked the lake bed back toward lower forge? Remember we thought they resembled causeways? Maybe they were the remains of land bridges to seperate the bogs. Jeff
  5. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    maybe it worked now. Sorry it is upside down.
  6. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    Well, this looks more confusing than it really is. I can barely draw a straight line you know. I don't know if this is helpful or not but I tried.
  7. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I/we will. I might try to get out there soon to follow up on a couple hunches and investigate the ponds that Jerseyman is inquiring about but that visit might be under some serious time constraints. I am sure a proper follow up visit is in order and we will be certain to let you know. Jeff
  8. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I live very close by. When I get a chance I will revisit to provide better description.
  9. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I think this info only supports my theory: The natural steep grade on either side of Bisphams mill branch would have made the creation of bogs adjacent to the river impossible, which is why it was constructed within the river system. The elevation would have allowed for a strong flow for the...
  10. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    but they are in the exact locations as upper and lower mill. I think it was a generalization by the map maker. i think he was illustrating the upper and lower mills.
  11. woodjin

    New Map

    Very interesting map. Thanks for posting this Guy!
  12. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    the more I think about it, the more I think I'm right. You have to have absolute control of water level in a cranberry bog. Not just the force of the main channel. The bogs need to be flooded in winter to protect the vines and dry and then flooded for harvest. At certain times of the year the...
  13. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    ALRIGHT!!! I think I got it! Now I could be wrong, I'm not an engineer, but I think this might be the answer. Okay, Bob, Scott if you remember I mentioned that the maps placed the lake on the other side (the down stream side) of the causeway/canal entrance we examined. Doesn't make sense...
  14. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    Wow! This new information sheds some serious light on the canal system and the creeks namesake. I had suspected that Bispham might have been an owner at one time, however there is no reference that I have seen to a bisphams mill specifically, except for the branches name. Lower mill is north...
  15. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    We may never know. Maybe he just wanted a nice canoe trial for Sunday afternoons.:mrgreen: Jeff
  16. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I am just saying that it is cool to discover things that have been so forsaken and forgotten.
  17. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    The holes are most likely fox.
  18. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I messed up, I meant to say that the two ponds I visited were slightly upstream from the causeway. Jeff
  19. woodjin

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    I do see it on the 1812 map now. the link you set up was a different map. Seems to be the upper and lower mill locations. I wonder if a guy named Bispham didn't own that property at one time. I think Black was the owner durring the upper and lower mill operations. It does seem unlikely...
  20. woodjin

    New Woods and Male Bonding

    I didn't see Bisphams mill location on the map? I did notice the S M on the map. That must be referring to the saw mill. Here is a quote from the book you lent me. It is from John C. Borton's essay, "runaway". It refers to a 1916 visit to lower mill: "We decided to visit lower mill which...
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