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Up here on Schooley's Mountain, frozen sleet, followed by frozen rain, followed by more sleet, followed by thaw/freeze cycle, equals everything coated in a glaze. Supposed to hit 41 tomorrow, so maybe that will start breaking it.

I thought we had agreed not to talk about Lake Broyhill?

Great story, pinelandpaddler. I have never done any river diving, or anything more visibility-challenged than some wrecks off of Barnegat where the sand was blowing around. Most of my diving was done in the Caribbean, where you can see forever. My hat's off to you.

I don't think the woods are carpeted with them, but there are some areas that they like to go, and that the rangers would like to keep them off of. Up in the Lebanon and out toward Forked River I run into a lot of them. I run into far, far fewer south of 70. I can spend whole days in the Jemima...

I've always thought all the notable activity took place on the east side of the river at that spot, which is what has me so curious now. I need to go back and look at research, but various sources I have read suggested that there were community structures and housing associated with Martha on...

Thanks, Jerseyman. Fascinating material. So there was a "hamlet" named Oswego on the river opposite Martha? That's maybe the most interesting thing I got out of that report. I wondered why the location is marked as Oswego" on several 1870's maps I have seen.

I was there over the summer with my girls. The tower was staffed, and the observer on duty was a young guy who invited us up to the platform for a look around. It was a beautiful clear day, and the kids really got a kick out of seeing Atlantic City on one side, and Philly on the other.

Nice find. So it was basically an attempt to leverage off the fact that there used to be a town there, and create a new one as a speculative venture. Interesting that he sold all the lots but never built the place. I'll have to ask her about that next time I am in the store.

I edited the previous post to add some interesting images from maps I looked at tonight, as well as some features I think you can see in GE.

The Chetwood on that 1890 map appears to be right where Martha was, not above it. You can see where the road comes in across the river, which is not far from where the furnace was located. By 1890 Martha was pretty much gone, wasn't it? I wonder if 'Chetwood' was some attempt to revive it...

Yes, and I should have included that in the list, as it is essentially another form of JIT logistics, but that is quite separate from immigration. I guess immigration probably boosts passenger travel back and forth between the source and destination countries, but overall the trends are due to...

Got anything to back that idea up? With all the JIT logistics these days, fruit from Chile, beef from Argentina, etc., I am skeptical that immigrants and their effects are a significant source.

I wasn't clear enough. It has to be a road-legal vehicle. I don't know what class of registration applies to quads, never having owned one, but as far as I know none of them are street legal. Thing is, I am sure the only reason we are allowed access in road-legal vehicles is the existence of the...

I do, and I will get coords for you. Probably going to be after Christmas sometime before we get out again, at the rate things are going. From the snippet you posted it does look as if that could be what the writer was referring to.

There's a feature off to the left of the Marth Rd at about that distance above the furnace that I have been meaning to check out. You can see it on this view... http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.703984,-74.499852&spn=0.002823,0.005402&t=h&z=18&om=0 Just sand trails now but there is the...

Well, however you want to define offroading, the rule the state cares about is registration. Registered vehicles are allowed, unregistered are not. So all the light-weight ORVs without plates are illegal, which is why they put the rule In place I'd guess. I have nothing against the guys I run...

If we kill them up here and drive the tails down to Louisiana, will they be able to tell?

Stu, a friend of mine drove out there the other day, because he had always wanted to see it, and described it to me using almost exactly those words: "scummy pond."

Yeah, no offense to the hunters; just teasing. Although the trauma count does seem to be about as high for the humans as for the deer this year, or at least that's how the media likes to spin it.

Yeah, I think you need to learn how to tune by ear, and when it comes to ensembles or even individual recordings who knows what nuance of character would be lost if machines always made sure the instruments were in perfect tune. I don't switch tunings much, but I can see the advantage there.