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It really is a shame that the clubs have to buck this trend, especially after doing everything asked of them. It ain't right.

When I was a teen, it was great to watch them get muddy. As long as the route is authorized, I don't see the problem.

Guy, regarding that book on Chatsworth, wherein Johnathan Grodfrey's photo is shown; isn't it odd that nobody named Haines is mentioned in the industry section of the book? I wonder if it's because their farm operation center is in a different township? I never thought about it before, but it...

The only thing there back then was a dairy bar. :)

Yes, I saw that. Tom is right about the work. The Pinelands Commission must have been a little tough on them. The installation of those barriers had to be costly. I know one thing. The light (and process for traffic control) at route 539 and 70 needs improvement in a big way. It has turned into...

I just finished reading "Everglades, River of Grass" by Marjory Stoneman Douglas. An excellent read. The Army Engineers really screwed up the Everglades, and as soon as they straightened out the Kissimmee River so it was a channel and no longer a sheet of water, they had to deconstruct it...

No, that does not use route 70 in that area of the barriers.

I would actually cheer if there were some analysis in the direction of what this fellow did. I could definitely get behind trying to restore some of the savanna and open lands that were here several hundred years ago...

I've seen them repave many times. Why do they suddenly need a plastic barrier? Do you know?

There are now approximately 5 five miles of plastic barrier about 4 feet high firmly affixed to the ground along New Jersey route 70, on both sides of the road, from 539 to the 530 cutoff to Browns Mills. I cannot find any information regarding this project. Usually it's done to see what...

You are correct Pinesbucks. By the way, Google tells me Janvier is January in French.

I'd suffer a 1/4 mile wide cleared cut around big fire-sheds if it meant larger, hotter fires every 7 years. I'm not talking everywhere, just enough to give a hint of what our ecosystem was in the past. Plus, the explosion of growth is quite a sight. I don't see that from controlled burns.

Funny how you say letting nature take it's course is not good, but then slam humans for meddling with ecosystems. Such as controlled burns and mechanical thinning of the forest?

I don't remember saying you should do nothing. I just wanted to make the point that managing the entire pinelands in the methods you suggest, prescribed burning and thinning by men and commercial outfits, is impractical. Surely you can agree to that.

So, you're saying widening the Basto-Washington turnpike did nothing? What about the 200 yard swath cut from Warren Grove to the Manahawkin dump? Was that another mistake? What do you think of the state's choice to do that? Was that an easy or a hard choice?

I'm simply suggesting that if you want to duplicate that for the 800,000 to 900,000 acres of pinelands, you have neither the time nor the resources to do it all with scientific management. Oh yes, you'll get some of it done, especially if your customer has money, but human intervention is not a...

German, you say "commercial use of the materials used". I'm all for that, as long as it's self-replenishing. However, not all of the current problem can be solved in that fashion. I was in an area last week that is inviting fire in a way that is much more than a couple inches of duff on the...

No, but I think Gabe has.

No, not drivable. Very narrow too.

What's your opinion on what's being said in the article?