Yes. A couple of our spots to explore were ones he picked out. My daughter does too and goes most of the time too.
Goshen in Camden or Burlington?
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Consider Getting him a field shirt instead of flannel so the briars have less chance of grabbing (nylon or polyester or blend).
Yes I have. We have only been doing small patches of briars at a time. I’m easing him in lol. He doesn’t even want to wear gloves most of the time. It was kind of thick in a couple of spots there so he’s learning that proper clothing and gloves help. He will be a pro in no time.
Goshen, Goshen Neck, Goshen Gap and Goshen Mill Stream. Now I’m starting to get confused
I worked on the deed that says Goshen Gap and I now know where Goshen Gap is located. Not where one might think. I know I am correct because the next 4 locations I already know about and the 1860 deed matches perfectly in distance and directions. The stone mentioned at Goshen Gap is no longer there as well as the Wharton survey monument placed there when the state bought Wharton. Too much disturbance over the years. There is however evidence at the location where the stone was as I was there yesterday.
Anyway, the location of Goshen Gap in 1860 was here. The bogs obviously were not there in 1860.
Anyway, the location of Goshen Gap in 1860 was here. The bogs obviously were not there in 1860.
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I’ve seen loam ore and seed ore, mostly loam, along the river banks along the mullica opposite the canal.
There is documentation that at least during the Drinker era of Atsion furnace they would open the dam to drain Atsion lake for the purpose of bog iron extraction along the original river banks.
Considering that documentation existed to this practice, it led me to the hypothesis that a diversion canal around sawmills would provide further opportunity for bog iron extraction.
I’ve seen huge deposits of massive ore further down on the mullica in the Lock’s bridge vicinity.
The fens that lay adjacent to the river, and seeps, seem to indicate evidence of extraction.
Could it be that the more fertile savannas and cripples had been “mined out” and the iron masters were trying to capitalize on what resources were available.
Spung man, have you noticed a prevalence of massive ore on the river banks over loam and seed?
Great work! If we know where Old Goshen is and where Goshen Gap is, then perhaps this would be Goshen Neck—
Woodjin, that is interesting. It would make sense to collect ore from places away from pesky tree roots like savannahs and drained lake-beds. Cripples, too, were often sparse in tree roots, as apparently was the case along the "Ore Road" south of Deep Run. Weymouth ore beds west of what is now Makepeace Lake petered out early on. Instead, ore was brought in from other places, sometimes out of state, to make up for the ore deficit. Ore was barged into Weymouth's port of Mays Landing and then transported to Weymouth on a wooden tramway and pulled by mule-teams.
Massive ore was collected at "stone holes" along stream banks (e.g., Lummis Run above South River, below Bennetts Mill on Manumuskin River), but I was told that this was primarily for building material. Massive stone had a high quartz content that produced lots of slag and had to be laboriously crushed by stamping before use. I'm under the impression that it was the lack of charcoal that hampered bog iron production more than the lack of iron ore—at least below the Mullica.
I will see if I can find another deed for the Gap area and maybe it may say Goshen Neck.
General Elias Wright came to the same conclusion as Teegate regarding the location of Goshen Gap. He states "The head of Wissickman Creek . . .and the head of a stream called 'Green Limb' . . . are close together and where they come close together seems to have been called 'The Gapp'"
The title chain for 700 acres originally surveyed to John Burr confirms that Goshen Neck sat below the gap and between the Atsion River and Wissickman Creek though I am not certain if what was called Goshen Neck ever extended below the old Goshen Mill Pond.
The title chain for 700 acres originally surveyed to John Burr confirms that Goshen Neck sat below the gap and between the Atsion River and Wissickman Creek though I am not certain if what was called Goshen Neck ever extended below the old Goshen Mill Pond.
Records indicate that Goshen Sawmill was built in 1748 or 1749. The downstream mill that has been called the "new mill" in this thread was called Little Mill and was built by Salter and his partners. It was operating in 1785 if not several years earlier. Nothing in the property records indicates that there were any other mills between Jackson Road and Atsion Village. Admittedly, the structures found at the head of the old mill pond and at the lower end of the canal are begging for an explanation. The fact that the canal (along the east side of the pond) is not depicted on the map that Spungman shared (nor on other survey maps) suggests that it did not exist during the iron era. I suspect that those who guessed that the canal diverted water around the mill pond bottom that was being used for cranberry culture are on to something.
Vermeule and Cook topos confirm cranberry culture at the old mill pond and the canal diverting the water is quite apparent.
We should consider that the timbers at the lower end of the canal could be the remains of some type of water-powered industrial works.
The Green Limb is the stream that exited the William Braddock and William Braddock Jr. property here.
Various deeds in that area all mention it. This one that I have been working on called it the Green Limb Cedar Swamp.
And last night I ran all of the metes and bounds and from the beginning behind the trailer park using my calculations of 5:45 CCW all the way to the Tusco Musco and back across the woods to Goshen Gap I came within 96 feet of the actual location proving to myself Goshen Gap is where I said it was.
And this very same deed tells us that at this exact spot in 1860 there was an "Old Field" at William Braddocks property.
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Various deeds in that area all mention it. This one that I have been working on called it the Green Limb Cedar Swamp.
And last night I ran all of the metes and bounds and from the beginning behind the trailer park using my calculations of 5:45 CCW all the way to the Tusco Musco and back across the woods to Goshen Gap I came within 96 feet of the actual location proving to myself Goshen Gap is where I said it was.
And this very same deed tells us that at this exact spot in 1860 there was an "Old Field" at William Braddocks property.
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The Green Limb is the stream that exited the William Braddock and William Braddock Jr. property here.
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Various deeds in that area all mention it. This one that I have been working on called it the Green Limb Cedar Swamp. And Jessica years ago found the Braddock stone laying flat in the middle of a road there along the Green Limb.
And last night I ran all of the metes and bounds and from the beginning behind the trailer park using my calculations of 5:45 CCW all the way to the Tusco Musco and back across the woods to Goshen Gap I came within 96 feet of the actual location proving to myself Goshen Gap is where I said it was.
And this very same deed tells us that at this exact spot in 1860 (link below) there was an "Old Field" at William Braddocks property.
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A good place to go is the Searchable Databases and Records Request Forms at Early Land Records, 1650–1900s. Goshen Neck properties listed there seem to be on the Burlington County side.
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Also, in Glimpses of the Past (Flemming 2010) there are notes on the property at 627 Atsion Road, Shamong Township. He writes that this property is "part of a larger tract called Goshen Neck". That location seems to confirm where Goshen Neck is.
There is a deed between Samuel B. Coughlin of Philadelphia, and Michael G. Landis of Hammonton, for a sum of $15,000.00, tracts of land in Burlington and Atlantic Counties which make up the Atsion Estate. Book P, Page 568 – MARCH 1, 1860. Michael Landis is Charles K (Kline) Landis' money bags. CK is a founder of Elwood (1854), Hammonton (1857), and Vineland (1861).
Does anyone know anything about a Clines Tavern on Goshen Neck? Is it possible that Cline and C. Kline Landis might share family ties? The first thing Charle Kline Landis does in Elwood if build a tavern (1855). Wright is the surveyor there too.
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Also, in Glimpses of the Past (Flemming 2010) there are notes on the property at 627 Atsion Road, Shamong Township. He writes that this property is "part of a larger tract called Goshen Neck". That location seems to confirm where Goshen Neck is.
There is a deed between Samuel B. Coughlin of Philadelphia, and Michael G. Landis of Hammonton, for a sum of $15,000.00, tracts of land in Burlington and Atlantic Counties which make up the Atsion Estate. Book P, Page 568 – MARCH 1, 1860. Michael Landis is Charles K (Kline) Landis' money bags. CK is a founder of Elwood (1854), Hammonton (1857), and Vineland (1861).
Does anyone know anything about a Clines Tavern on Goshen Neck? Is it possible that Cline and C. Kline Landis might share family ties? The first thing Charle Kline Landis does in Elwood if build a tavern (1855). Wright is the surveyor there too.
My first thought was that the canal was for cranberry operations but could have been repurposed from another use. After exploring the canal at the New Pond (Little Mill) the canal seems to be similar but there were no cranberries there.
And where it connects to Salters Ditch
There did not seem to anything to let it flow under Rairitan. There was a metal pipe where it crossed Sandy Causeway and pieces of concrete probably from something older. Sandy causeway is a much older road so it was possibly out of service before the railroad came through.
Good old Don Catts. I never met him, but through all the discussion on this board where he is either a participant or is mentioned, has proven to me that he's a gentleman; even tempered, knowledgeable, and interesting to be around.
If it helps at all, Old Inns and Taverns in West Jersey has this:
So, Salter...Salter's Ditch?