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Very well said, Bob. The only thing I'd like to add is that you said "They forgot or ignored people like us" You are correct on both. They initially forgot about people like us and then chose to ignore us when we didn't support their plan 100%. What they didn't count on was that there are more...

http://pinebarrenstribune.com/bass-river-officials-receive-earful-after-roberts-pond-is-emptied-p500-165.htm

Of course before anything would get approved the FFS would have to weigh in. But generally speaking setting up a draft point is usually something that happens in the later stages of fighting a fire when time is less critical. In the initial attack refilling from a tanker is more the norm. Also...

I agree. While a map is useful I don't agree it's necessary. You can use 1st beach as an example. It's not a road and any map wouldn't protect it any more then it already is. It's posted no motor vehicles. It is only a half a mile from the ranger station and just off a highly traveled dirt...

I use the NJ stuff called pork roll:D

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/07/2-teens-arrested-tennessee-wildfires-officials-say/95104408/

A tour of mud puddles in Wharton. Sounds like code for a jeep jamboree:D

That's just the name they gave to the fire itself.

11/22/16 @ 0500 hrs- DIVISION C, Section C6- Waterford Twp, Wharton State Forest- near Fleming Pike and Sandy Causeway Rd. 'Shadow Wildfire'. Currently estimated at 202 acres. I hear Waterford Township is reporting it contained.

It didn't look that big to me:D

We were sent there in 2000 I believe. Talking to the local crews it was all arson. There was a war going on with law enforcement and the illegal marijuana growers. They threatened to burn an acre for every plant destroyed. It was the same time of year too. I wonder if things haven't changed much.

Be careful out there Special Weather Statement SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ 1030 AM EST SUN NOV 13 2016 NJZ001-007>010-012>027-PAZ054-055-060>062-070-071-101>106-132100- SUSSEX-WARREN-MORRIS-HUNTERDON-SOMERSET-MIDDLESEX- WESTERN MONMOUTH-EASTERN...

Don't forget to change your smoke detector batteries as well.

Yea. I heard there was a lot. I was asked today by someone who lives out there why so many were needed for such a small fire. I reminded him all fires start out small and there are no hydrants out there so they need to bring their own water;)

Luckily I heard it was minor this time. Heater backfired.

Gust front came through. Waiting for the rain.

Taking the kids to Batsto today. They always have fun there. http://www.batstovillage.org/halloween.htm

When I lived in my townhouse they seemed to bus them in. We would have to just sit on the front porch and has out candy as the line formed. Now we just get a few local kids which are mostly friends of my kids.

You must have missed my original post. We used to get them when I was fighting forest fires out west.

I used smoldering stumps:)