Here is Michele Byers take on it.
http://www.app.com/story/opinion/co...lan-will-help-preserve-pine-barrens/31735131/
http://www.app.com/story/opinion/co...lan-will-help-preserve-pine-barrens/31735131/
ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton
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Nice fairytale, but many of the so called open roads are impassable year round.
And many of the closed ones of the have no damage
FWIW those robust FFS trucks have been getting stuck for years. Its nothing new.
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And many of the closed ones of the have no damage
FWIW those robust FFS trucks have been getting stuck for years. Its nothing new.
Were you full time or part-time employee of NJFFS ???? What section?? Just curious.
Select some anecdotes, add wide sweeping generalisations and offer a solution in such a way as to marginalize anyone who disagrees with it. Yack
I spent 5 hours in the Waterford area of Wharton yesterday. I saw a couple in a canoe at Goshen and two enduro riders on Sandy Causeway. Actually kinda quiet for a Saturday. While riding on the connecting jeep trails between the main roads, I couldn't find any intentional or careless destruction. There very well may be vast areas of devastation but I can't find it. The worst places are the main roads. Most of the members here know this but I have to question the supporters of this plan. How much time do you spend in the woods and what do you do to make it better? Restricting access to others doesn't count.
I spent 5 hours in the Waterford area of Wharton yesterday. I saw a couple in a canoe at Goshen and two enduro riders on Sandy Causeway. Actually kinda quiet for a Saturday. While riding on the connecting jeep trails between the main roads, I couldn't find any intentional or careless destruction. There very well may be vast areas of devastation but I can't find it. The worst places are the main roads. Most of the members here know this but I have to question the supporters of this plan. How much time do you spend in the woods and what do you do to make it better? Restricting access to others doesn't count.
Part time in C-11 and C-12. And out on of state crews from 1995 to about 2003 give or take a year I can't quite remember. And you?
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I've just submitted a rebuttal to this to the editor of the Asbury Park Press.
Was thinking about having some magnets made up. Anyone care to offer an opinion on which one? Other suggestions?
I think the one on the right gets the point across and is a little easier to read as well as an attention getter
Hi all,
I had a busy weekend this weekend. I know my way around Google Earth a bit so I brought the "MAP" into google earth as an overlay and plotted all the open and closed roads and measured them all. Then I overlaid a Topo and picked up all those pesky roads that DEP seemed to forget about when creating the MAP. The result: 274 miles of roads are closed, while only 202 are open. That is a whopping 58% of the roads now closed to motor vehicles.
Feel free to share this info and graphic with whomever you see fit. If you run into any doubters along the way, I will gladly share a KMZ or KML export with the details.
I had a busy weekend this weekend. I know my way around Google Earth a bit so I brought the "MAP" into google earth as an overlay and plotted all the open and closed roads and measured them all. Then I overlaid a Topo and picked up all those pesky roads that DEP seemed to forget about when creating the MAP. The result: 274 miles of roads are closed, while only 202 are open. That is a whopping 58% of the roads now closed to motor vehicles.
Feel free to share this info and graphic with whomever you see fit. If you run into any doubters along the way, I will gladly share a KMZ or KML export with the details.
They closed all the southern accesses of Tulpehocken creek. I see some carsonite markers biting the dust in the near future.
The amazing thing is 95% of the closures still have the regular Wharton rules and regs signs, No signs at all or no mention of closing, no "no motorized vehicles" signage or the ever popular tree branch blockage courtesy of the PPA minions, so unless you have a copy of the map plastered to your windshield some will never know if they are legal or not, some will think they are and some will not care!
Unless you know the woods real well it's easy to turn onto a closed road that's not posted... I don't see how the I was alone and lost excuse won't hold up in court...
Not sure if this has been posted before; found it on Horner's site, but it does NOT appear to be listed on the state site it is located on, the 2nd link, so it may be bogus. 
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/docs/wsf_motorzed_access_plan_FAQ.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/docs/wsf_motorzed_access_plan_FAQ.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/
I think I read somewhere, maybe this thread that now that the map is published it is up to the public to determine the legality of the trail they choose to take with a motor vehicle?
To my knowledge, any sign on public road must conform to Title 39-Motor Vehicles and Traffic Regulation, and contain on its face, the statute, regulation or order number to be legal. If it does not, it cannot be used as evidence for a citation. My knowledge is personal experience
But I am not a lawyer, your use may vary 
Title 39
http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bi...tes.nfo&record={EA23}&softpage=Doc_Frame_PG42
My understanding from other sources is that the FAQ is legit, but don't think it has been officially released. Also, just a heads up, I spoke directly to the Lt. at District 1 and he confirmed that the current MAP is not being enforced. He basically told me that they are not concerned with where you are but rather what you are doing, so if you are respecting the forest, you are ok.
BTW- I don't want to imply that they are not enforcing the previous closures (such as quarter mile), but those closures went through whatever process is required to get them closed, the MAP has not, as far as the Lt. was concerned.