Photo Archives--Forked River Mountain Coalition
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I remember when they "paved" sand roads after levelling them by pouring heavy oil on them, not asphalt. Quick, easy, relatively cheap, and if the vehicles weren't too heavy, pretty effective. Far better than just sand. But vulnerable long term to weather. At that time Pennsylvania did a different but kinda related thing: poured oil on a base then spread small gravel all over. First cars thru got stone nicks and oil spots on their cars..... "been there, done that".
Re: slide 6--1975
Bob,
The photo of Herbert Payne holding a bag of charcoal shows a very youthful and slim man. The picture could not have been taken in 1975 as claimed. My photos of Herbie taken in 1974 reveal a far older and stouter man, definitely not youthful . It is possible that the owner of the slide you have took a photo of this photo in 1975.
Bob,
The photo of Herbert Payne holding a bag of charcoal shows a very youthful and slim man. The picture could not have been taken in 1975 as claimed. My photos of Herbie taken in 1974 reveal a far older and stouter man, definitely not youthful . It is possible that the owner of the slide you have took a photo of this photo in 1975.
Re: Slide 6--1975. Herbert does a burn in Whiting area.
Bob,
You indicated the slide was inscribed 2 June 1975. Take a careful look at the image that shows Herbie up on the kiln likely placing "floats" (turf) from his truck. Most of the kiln has been turfed, but sanding has not yet commenced. I remind you that I stated the Herbie "burned" his last kiln in 1974. The kiln you're seeing (in 1975) had not yet been burned, and I don't believe it ever was. As I had mentioned, Herbie had a stroke shortly after my photo documentation. In the early 198os I wrote "The Last of the Old-Time Charcoal Makers and the Coaling Process In the Pine Barrens of New Jersey" (A. Herbert Payne, Last of the Charcoal Makers; B. Herbert Payne's Coaling Process). This photo-illustrated article was published in 1982 in History, Culture, and Archeology of the Pine Barrens: Essays from the Third Pine Barrens Conference, John W. Sinton, Stockton State College, Center for Environmental Research, Pomona, NJ. Before the article was sent to the editor, I asked Herbie when he last burned coal. The following is a footnote from my article (p. 213): "In a phone conversation of April 28, 1980, Herbert Payne assured the writer that the last time he burned "coal" was on the occasion of the writer's photographic documentation, i.e., in August, 1974." It appears that he was in the process of setting another kiln before he was inflicted, but he never got to burn it. It is likely that the unburned mound is still in the woods and may be the destination of a field trip sometime this season.
Bob,
You indicated the slide was inscribed 2 June 1975. Take a careful look at the image that shows Herbie up on the kiln likely placing "floats" (turf) from his truck. Most of the kiln has been turfed, but sanding has not yet commenced. I remind you that I stated the Herbie "burned" his last kiln in 1974. The kiln you're seeing (in 1975) had not yet been burned, and I don't believe it ever was. As I had mentioned, Herbie had a stroke shortly after my photo documentation. In the early 198os I wrote "The Last of the Old-Time Charcoal Makers and the Coaling Process In the Pine Barrens of New Jersey" (A. Herbert Payne, Last of the Charcoal Makers; B. Herbert Payne's Coaling Process). This photo-illustrated article was published in 1982 in History, Culture, and Archeology of the Pine Barrens: Essays from the Third Pine Barrens Conference, John W. Sinton, Stockton State College, Center for Environmental Research, Pomona, NJ. Before the article was sent to the editor, I asked Herbie when he last burned coal. The following is a footnote from my article (p. 213): "In a phone conversation of April 28, 1980, Herbert Payne assured the writer that the last time he burned "coal" was on the occasion of the writer's photographic documentation, i.e., in August, 1974." It appears that he was in the process of setting another kiln before he was inflicted, but he never got to burn it. It is likely that the unburned mound is still in the woods and may be the destination of a field trip sometime this season.
Thanks Ted, good info. Yes, that would be a good field trip. By the way, did you ever see all the mounds just east of Whiting in the 1930 aerials? Check it out. That man and/or his friends were busy!
It appears that this kiln was set in in 1975, but was likely never completed (& never burned) because Herbie Payne had a stroke, as I have already explained.
Whiting was a core area for burning charcoal in the 1930s. I interviewed at least 4 colliers that worked that area. All have passed away.
Those look like Elizabeth Morgan's and her friend, the late Dorothy Hale's dogs. Both kicked around in the Forked River Mountains quite a bit. I suspect that they got to Bear Swamp Hill as well. Does the photo indicate it was Bear Swamp Hill?
This photo is correctly identified. I have similar photos of the cemetery taken at about the same date. Regrettably, if you go there today (near Dover), you will not see a single cross. All were ruthlessly vandalized many years ago.
Ed, Bob, and Guy,
I can help you out with interpreting the village of Friendship, since I was familiar with it when most of the building were still standing. Photo 12 was taken from the intersection of Carranza-Friendship Road and Friendship-Speedwell Road. The photographer was standing on the little bridge near the end of unpaved Carranza Rd. The abandoned bogs are to the left of the telephone pole. The then macadamized road to the left went to Speedwell and started at the house with the propane tanks, still occupied at the time of the photo. The old dirt road (not shown) to the right of that house went into the heart of the village and continued to Hawkins Bridge and beyond. The last small, building that you see beyond the huge house on the road to Speedwell. was the one room school house later moved to Tabernacle.
Thanks Ted! That is what I assumed. How about the other photo that Pan made....what are those brown wooden buildings in the background?
By the way, you really should get started on your book. All the great information on Pine Barren history that you have in your head and in your private archives really need to be preserved in writing for future generations to enjoy.
By the way, you really should get started on your book. All the great information on Pine Barren history that you have in your head and in your private archives really need to be preserved in writing for future generations to enjoy.
Hi Bob,
I hit this thread late, but really enjoyed viewing these slides. Thanks for posting them. Hope all is well at your end of the street
I hit this thread late, but really enjoyed viewing these slides. Thanks for posting them. Hope all is well at your end of the street
Hi Bob,
I hit this thread late, but really enjoyed viewing these slides. Thanks for posting them. Hope all is well at your end of the street
Hi Mike, things are good here. I'm eager to get out in the woods again.
Glad you like the photos.
Slide 14...1973 (This is a tough one, but someone may get it. The slide only gives the region)
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That looks like Dorothy Hale, Elizabeth Morgan's field companion, perhaps along the old Tuckerton line or in the Crossley area along the abandoned railroad.
I know you are thinking of the telephone poles along those right of ways, but no, that is not it.
Don't forget Lois Morris. Together, they made up the female Three Musketeers of the Pine Barrens.
That's true, German. Bob, how about along Route 72 near Coyle Field where the old fire tower used to be. That looks like the Plains in the backround.