It's about 250 feet South of the intersection, did you look that far away? Snow is melting here, ground starting to poke through. In a few days, when the rain is over and the roads dry out, I'll have another look.
Tar Kiln Locations?
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It's about 250 feet South of the intersection, did you look that far away? Snow is melting here, ground starting to poke through. In a few days, when the rain is over and the roads dry out, I'll have another look.
Years back on occasion I used to breakfast at the now long-gone Pine Grove Restaurant on Delsea Drive near Dorchester. Specifically, the visit timed to meet up with an old woodsman by the name of Russ Pettit (if memory serves) who lived across the highway. His favorite dish was oatmeal, which I'd treat. He purportedly cut wood for that mill back in Peaslee. The sawmill owner's name forgotten by me...
In youth I spent a lot of time hiking the trails of Peaslee Wildlife Management Area, its northern border near our farm at Calfs Head of the Manumuskin.
There's old portable mills dotted all along the Manumuskin watershed. With steam boilers (later diesel engines) it became easier to move the mill than haul the wood. The Franks had Five Point Mill on Bears Head Road near its intersection with Cornucopia. Foxy had one in New Italy near the end of Genoa, which later became a still. Jonnie Smith's Mill with its over-the-treetops sawdust pile west of Hundred Acre Field on Cannon Range Road was moved to Richland in 1879 to cut the WJRR right-of-way and build Richland. Another was operated by Ando's at the corner of Main and Millville, having earlier been relocated from the Milmay train station. There were four sawmills in Richland.
In youth I spent a lot of time hiking the trails of Peaslee Wildlife Management Area, its northern border near our farm at Calfs Head of the Manumuskin.
There's old portable mills dotted all along the Manumuskin watershed. With steam boilers (later diesel engines) it became easier to move the mill than haul the wood. The Franks had Five Point Mill on Bears Head Road near its intersection with Cornucopia. Foxy had one in New Italy near the end of Genoa, which later became a still. Jonnie Smith's Mill with its over-the-treetops sawdust pile west of Hundred Acre Field on Cannon Range Road was moved to Richland in 1879 to cut the WJRR right-of-way and build Richland. Another was operated by Ando's at the corner of Main and Millville, having earlier been relocated from the Milmay train station. There were four sawmills in Richland.
I was watching a show about Alaska last year and they were using a modern portable sawmill to make their own dimensional lumber. Very cool, I had no idea these things existed. If I was a few years younger I'd be all over these. 
www.aces.edu
Milling Dimensions: Characteristics of Portable Sawmill Owners and Operators - Alabama Cooperative Extension System
Landowners harvest trees from their property for many reasons. Often this is done as part of a regularly scheduled timber harvest such as a thinning or final harvest.
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y a little further them i stomped. The woods are very open you’d think you’d see something from the road but it’s worgh a look. I passes a sawmill for years near EvansBridge and the one day miraculously spotted it as i went byIt's about 250 feet South of the intersection, did you look that far away? Snow is melting here, ground starting to poke through. In a few days, when the rain is over and the roads dry out, I'll have another look.
A bit off-topic but also in Peaslee, farther South, on First Avenue near Hunters Mill. Was this a sawmill? It's pretty big with a depression that might have been a cellar. Al, it seems to me you may have started a thread about this awhile ago.
https://boydsmaps.com/#18.00/39.331293/-74.853153/lidar2021bw/0.00/0.00
The USGS topo shows a building on the North side of the road, but I couldn't find any remnants of that. Made me wonder if they just had it on the wrong side of the road?
https://boydsmaps.com/#16.00/39.331683/-74.853421/pines1999/0.00/0.00
Took some pictures in 2017, but it's hard to make out.
Bolts protruding from the concrete
https://boydsmaps.com/#18.00/39.331293/-74.853153/lidar2021bw/0.00/0.00
The USGS topo shows a building on the North side of the road, but I couldn't find any remnants of that. Made me wonder if they just had it on the wrong side of the road?
https://boydsmaps.com/#16.00/39.331683/-74.853421/pines1999/0.00/0.00
Took some pictures in 2017, but it's hard to make out.
Bolts protruding from the concrete
Found it!
First Avenue Ruins
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=8E-06&lat=39.3317931648073&lon=-74.8531692375688&year=1963 I was taking the scenic route home from English Creek to laurel lake today and for me that means First Avenue and Hunters Mill road.I just happened to look to my left and spotted ruins I...
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How'd he take it, with a shot of pine tar cordial?
I never heard of that one. But seriously, I do have oatmeal on most winter mornings. Stays with you for hours. I put anything from nuts, to bananas, blueberries, strawberries, or rasberries on it. Sometimes dribble maple syrup on it. And I always put my oat meal on top of a bed of bran. How did the woodsman take it, do you recall?
I also found that when doing a search after @Spung-Man mentioned Pine Tar Cordial.
"Lucius Q. C. Wishart started business as a paint dealer and grocer in Philadelphia, but after patenting his Pine Tree Tar Cordial in 1859, he entered the field of patent medicines"
"Lucius Q. C. Wishart started business as a paint dealer and grocer in Philadelphia, but after patenting his Pine Tree Tar Cordial in 1859, he entered the field of patent medicines"
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Pine Tar Cordial, great for dyspepsia! I don't recall anything out of the ordinary about Pettit's oatmeal preferences. Simple.
I'm amazed at how the lidar imagery has renewed interest in charcoal pits and tar kilns. Great stuff, nice to catch up. Going back to paperwork but should be back soon, I hope...
I'm amazed at how the lidar imagery has renewed interest in charcoal pits and tar kilns. Great stuff, nice to catch up. Going back to paperwork but should be back soon, I hope...
I also drove by this one for years and never seen it till one day there it was.No excuse for this one though since I believe on the old topos some where there is a building symbo lmarking the location,is supposed to be something across the street as well but I couldn't find anything.This ruin has quite the whole dug around it.Quite substantial for something portable
Yep, this is all covered in the old thread I linked to above. I'd agree that its really big for something "portable".
https://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/first-avenue-ruins.8376/#post-99362
https://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/first-avenue-ruins.8376/#post-99362
It's about 250 feet South of the intersection, did you look that far away? Snow is melting here, ground starting to poke through. In a few days, when the rain is over and the roads dry out, I'll have another look.
Had a look today, didn't find "four concrete piers" but I wasn't especially methodical. What I did find was a well-defined mound, 3 or 4 ft high right where the structure is on the topo. Theres another mound just to the East, right next to the road. Am pretty impressed with the detail in this imagery, it clearly shows those two "bumps" on the ground. They could have been related to a sawmill, but I would have just assumed it was dirt dumped there when they built/improved the road.
https://boydsmaps.com/#20.00/39.390197/-74.898209/lidar2021bw/0.00/0.00
There's also a depression in ground here. Could be another charcoal pit or ???
https://boydsmaps.com/#20.00/39.390209/-74.898444/lidar2021bw/0.00/0.00
Walked around the whole triangle between the old and new road and didn't notice much else. Might be worth a closer look?
Yeah, exactly, it was a hole, but not much, if any, mound around the perimeter. Could be a cellar hole I guess? It's about 70 feet West of the location of the structure on the USGS Topo. Those topo's aren't very accurate by today's standards. Regardless, didn't see the concrete piers that Mark mentioned.
BTW, working on some new code that will display elevation from the 1-meter LIDAR DEM. If you have elevation display enabled, it will switch to this automatically in any of the newer LIDAR-based maps and will also work in GPS mode. This should be much more accurate than the 10-meter data from USGS servers. Also faster/more reliable since it's locally hosted. Coming soon.
BTW, working on some new code that will display elevation from the 1-meter LIDAR DEM. If you have elevation display enabled, it will switch to this automatically in any of the newer LIDAR-based maps and will also work in GPS mode. This should be much more accurate than the 10-meter data from USGS servers. Also faster/more reliable since it's locally hosted. Coming soon.
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I was at that sawmill and posted about it.
Further South Than Usual
We headed south today to visit a sawmill that others have mentioned to me. I was looking at it on Lidar and saw a few other things in the area to visit. Our first stop was the sawmill. I saw a few disturbances nearby but they were nothing of major importance. One was obviously a stone hill...
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It was Richard Mattox who bought the Blue Anchor tavern (and tract) in 1762. He sold the property to his son in law, Josiah Albertson who married Richard's daughter Elizabeth. Their son David was the one who built the Spring Garden Inn located in Ancora.