nature friendly my ass how can you call knocking down over a couple a hundred trees nature friendly ? AND YOU SEEN SOME DUAL SPORTS AND THEY SHUT THEM DOWN . .WHAT ARE YOU GOD IS THAT WHY THEY SHUT THEM DOWN THAT IS SO STUPID.AS FOR THE GUYS QUADING DESTROYING STUFF SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF .I BEEN RIDEING QUADS 4 25 YEARS AND IAM NOT OUT THERE TO DESTROY THINGS. YOU ALMOST TALK LIKE YOUR A RANGER?
thanks, however i don't agree with the trees, This is "nature" right? we need to stop sticking our heads in it and let it take its course. we have already came in and ruined a lot, we mine as well, stay out of it as far as I'm concerned. I'm not gonna support an attitude like what was demonstrated, however for an untrained eye it does look horrible back there. Also people are tired of hearing excuses no matter what path we take. We have tried over and over again to do this legally.("we" are some ATV and "monster truck lol" enthusiasts not all.) We have a guy who has bought 900 acres back in 91/92 who decided he wanted to turn the last develop-able piece of land in the pine barrens into an "outdoor activity park" which would have everything, from hunting, paintball, target practice, fishing, hiking, camping, ATVs, "monster trucks lol" and basically everything else involved in ENJOYING the outdoors. Instead of taking the millions of dollars profit that he could have made off of the land, he said no to the home builders. he insisted that he would get his dream. He fought and fought and fought with the state, paying hundreds of thousands in lawyers and` the state insisted in not giving him the permits. Then along comes the "pinelands" and turns his land into preservation. They fail to realize that if it wasn't for him there would be a shopping mall and cookie cutter houses there. They continually fight him due to erosion that has happened over the years due to ATV and "monster trucks lol" . Now we have a man in his 70s who worked from the time he was 6 years old, saved money for many of years, and to top it all off who's dying of cancer, and what happens to him, no sympathy, no thanks, no nothing, what was once worth millions, and who was once worth millions is now worth nothing and owns a wasteland of "preservation" and has to go to court regularly to keep from having to pay for fines. Where I'm going w3ith this is that some of these environmentalists have their heads stuck so far up their asses that they don't even realize what the hell they are doing. Here's a guy who was gonna take a piece of land that was once cleared in the 60s or 70s and was still deemed build-able, and instead of letting the forest get stripped away to feed the state more taxes, he was just gonna have people out there enjoying it, providing riders and mudders a place to go and he gets punished for it.Dude you are why your group gets no respect because of attitudes like you. No I'm not a ranger, and I'll defend orv use a lot of times. What do you know about nature, I know those trees knocked down are serving a very good purpose at provide birthing habitat for several endangered species. I've been watching nature since I was a kid and have worked with that organization at helping to create habitat. And no buddy, I'm not God but these guys shut their bikes down because the realize the woods is for everyone and why throw sand and blast by me if they don't have to. And maybe your not out there to destroy things but much of the younger group of riders is. I've witnessed it time and time again. And dude I don't pretend to know about quading and mudding and all that but I know what I see on occasions, but don't come here and tell me about the natural world, because you come off sound real ignorant.....take a page out of mudboy's book on here, he can talk like an adult on here and understands compromising is the key to gaining respect and understanding among both groups.
I cant agree with you anymore with keeping the atvs outta state land. but what about my friend who owns the 900 acres, do you think that was honestly the right thing to do to him? I'm not looking to stick it to the man either, I wouldnt mind having an enduro but i can't put my fiance and son on there with me. I'm a "monster truck lol" guy. i like my trucks i like 700 hp and i like mud. I like hills I like off camber situations. its just that we all get grouped together. For instance, Dredge land. totally a wasteland. Has heavy metals in it and is pretty much consider toxic waste. That is some of the best mud i have been in though. problem is that there are snapper turtles and a few birds out there that like to live in the reeds. My biggest question is, why is it so hard in this state? there are more states than not that have plenty of land for people to do there thing, which involves giant mudholes, and crawling over rocks. Do other states not have endangered species?Thats alot of text!!!
It is however unfortunate that you as a tax payer dont get to pick and choose where your money goes, im sure the elderly arent thrilled paying our school taxes but they have to.
Bottom line is there will never be an agreement that both sides find satisfactory on this issue. I guess if you wanted to stick it to the man you could always go and buy a enduro and ride where u want, but i doubt you or I or our children will see ATV's in the pines. I am no big fan of state or federal govt interfering in the lives of the people, but atleast this time the state is right in keeping atvs outa the state parks/pine barrens.
Maybe if the ATV users acted as if they had some concern for the local lands and half a brain and didnt tear up the wetlands and stuff you guys would have a case, but as it is you guys are your own worse enemy. To the small percentage that ride illegally and destroy the pines keep it up, your helping us keep ATV's outa the woods.
I think your buddy got shafted, he should be able to sell the land to the state at fair market value. I dont know if the state would do that or not. I know that alot of states have alot more diversity for the people that live there regarding outdoor activities. And i believe that a person should have the right to do anything they want on there land ( with in reason) with out the govt getting involved, if there are endangered species in the area then all bets are off.
And that toxic dump you guys go 4x4ing in sounds interesting, when your done mudding and go home and wash your truck is all that toxic mud being introduced into our water system?
Not really sure what to make about that. Getting a letter saying something about 'preserved land' sounds odd at best. If your buddies land was preserved he would know about it, a land preservation organization would have had to pay him if he owned it, or buy it from him. Sounds like there is more to this story in all due respect.
If i go in the pines, i'm ruining habitats, if we go to a gravels pit with clay mud holes were ruining habitats, if we go to a waste land were ruining the water systems. how about the vehicle you use everyday that puts out emmisions, how about the heat in your house, or the electric, or your lawnmower, or the lead from your guns? if we want to all play that game the human race would just be better off disapearing? sure seems to be the road youre heading down. oh a god forbid if anyone uses a boat. I guess maybe they dont do any damage?